Seems like an extreme overreaction from UKA. How are any of these truly serious concerns?
Disagreeing with a physio therapist? Who cares? It’s not a disagreement with a medical doctor. A physios opinion should always be taken with a grain of salt. They shouldn’t be giving medical advice at all quite frankly. Now if a doctor says don’t run, but the coach forces the athlete to run, well that’s a problem.
Providing a food advice without having some type of formal training? Give me a break. Coaches cannot tell an athlete to eat better unless they get some certificate from Devry University? This argument always infuriates me. As if we all can’t dispense good eating habit advice to friends, families or athletes. It’s not that hard. “Hey, quit eating McDonalds and try putting some healthy options on your plate.” Again, if an actual MD has some concerns regarding an athletes caloric or nutritional intake, and the coach tries to move an athlete in another direction for performance gains, yes that’s a problem. But that doesn’t sound like the case at all.
Young does seems like a jerk, especially for allegedly leaving an athlete on the road, but here’s a solution: If your coach is an a-hole, find a new coach. Good grief, especially at the pro level.
I swear, athletes need to get a grip and take some personal accountability for themselves. The softest generation of all time.
Young is a raging alcoholic and his behaviour was seriously damaging his athletes.
Know the facts before you post such crap.
Seems like a short, fat and probably g@y little POS. F’m.
We had one like him almost become vice president.
Look at the middle aged women who take the certification course and start calling themselves “Coach,” childless pathologically self-absorbed failures.
Liz Clor is the exception. 😉
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It's ironic that he may have been a coach with an attitude problem but Laura hasn't really been as good since they went their seperate ways.
Can't be sure that's the reason, but if it is, it's a pity.
Did she get worse? Or did other people get better. Since she left him she went from 3:54.5 to 3:53.3 in the 1500m, cut 3s off her mile PB, and got a slight PB in the 5000m. 4 of her top 8 fastest 1500m times across her whole career were with Steve Vernon. Just Hull, Welteji, and Bell arrived on the scene around the same time which skews the medal results.
This word is almost never used, in any context, and doesn't need to be. It doesn't mean anything that can't be expressed with common words. By using it, the authors vitiated their own statement.
If you resort so early to using words so niche that nearly everyone reaches for a dictionary, you're probably distracting from some defect in your writing.
This word is almost never used, in any context, and doesn't need to be. It doesn't mean anything that can't be expressed with common words. By using it, the authors vitiated their own statement.
If you resort so early to using words so niche that nearly everyone reaches for a dictionary, you're probably distracting from some defect in your writing.
It's a very common word choice in the reporting of court and disciplinary cases in Scotland and England
The odd thing is your focussing on a single word in this way. Maybe try expanding your vocabulary.
Seems like an extreme overreaction from UKA. How are any of these truly serious concerns?
Disagreeing with a physio therapist? Who cares? It’s not a disagreement with a medical doctor. A physios opinion should always be taken with a grain of salt. They shouldn’t be giving medical advice at all quite frankly. Now if a doctor says don’t run, but the coach forces the athlete to run, well that’s a problem.
1) Seems like they all did go an get new coaches 3-5 years ago, try keep up mate.
2) many GPs have opinions worth nothing in sports performance terms. I've had "medical doctors" tell me a ferritin of 20 isn't a worry. A spprts physio involved in the sport is going to be better equipped (and more accessible) to assess ability to run than many average docs. Given the athletes involved, good chance they were working with some of the more top end physios in the country. If a UKA or Scottish Athletics appointed physio is saying "you shouldn't be easy running right now" (as was the case before the panel) and a coach says quote "nah it's fine just race" then yeah that's a problem.
I agree strongly with this. Every single GP I have seen has been absolutely useless or worse than useless in terms of evluating or helping me with running related injuries, even those who have had some sort of "sports medicine training". I would say that in general, physios are much better at examining and evaluating running related injuries and helping with the right sort of rehab to get out of the injury cycle.
The UKA should realize no one in the world really takes seriously any rules from a country that will put you in jail for praying silently in public in one place but will let other groups block traffic to pray outloud with their prayer rugs. Where they will arrest you for sharing your opinion on social media but you can behead your wife if she disobeys you and get a slap on the wrist. The UK is a confused and conflicted nation on the verge of collapse.
If Andy Young is an a**hole, which he may well be it sounds like, then his athletes will leave him, word will get out and he won't get new ones. Problem solved. But none of the offenses listed rise to the level that the UKA should get involved.
The Panel concluded that Mr Young had, on multiple occasions, placed performance above athlete welfare, ignored medical advice, and used manipulative and coercive behaviour towards those he coached. In its ruling, the Panel described his actions as “conduct [that] exerted pressure sufficient to vitiate the Athletes’ free will.”
Examples included requiring an athlete to compete against the clear advice of a physiotherapist,
About this last line - if this is an offense that everyone is so worried about (and I agree it is something to be looked at), why isn't everyone up in arms about when Steve Magness encouraged his elite professional marathoner to compete in the Boston Marathon with a known serious stress reaction in her femur, that subsequently fractured in the race and in effect ended her career. This was swept under the rug and Steve continues to coach and write books and is loved by thousands for advice, never having to answer for his ending of an athletes career by encouraging her to compete in a marathon (and especially one with the downhill pounding of Boston) while injured.
About this last line - if this is an offense that everyone is so worried about (and I agree it is something to be looked at), why isn't everyone up in arms about when Steve Magness encouraged his elite professional marathoner to compete in the Boston Marathon with a known serious stress reaction in her femur, that subsequently fractured in the race and in effect ended her career. This was swept under the rug and Steve continues to coach and write books and is loved by thousands for advice, never having to answer for his ending of an athletes career by encouraging her to compete in a marathon (and especially one with the downhill pounding of Boston) while injured.
If it makes you feel better, I never could stand the annoying litttle 💩.
The Panel concluded that Mr Young had, on multiple occasions, placed performance above athlete welfare, ignored medical advice, and used manipulative and coercive behaviour towards those he coached. In its ruling, the Panel described his actions as “conduct [that] exerted pressure sufficient to vitiate the Athletes’ free will.”
Examples included requiring an athlete to compete against the clear advice of a physiotherapist, threatening to exclude athletes from training or races if they did not comply with his demands, and emotionally undermining those who raised concerns about injuries. Another charge highlighted an incident in which Mr Young, following a disagreement, drove at speed with an athlete in his car before abandoning them at the roadside, disregarding their safety and wellbeing.
The Panel further criticised his inappropriate interference in nutrition, noting that he offered advice on food intake despite lacking qualifications and in disregard of professional guidance. It concluded that these behaviours represented a breach of fundamental coaching duties to “place the welfare and safety of the athlete above the development of performance” and to act with dignity and respect. The Panel revoked his licence for five years, backdated to April 2023, and required him to complete specific rehabilitative training before any return to coaching could be considered.
Laura Muir confirmed as a witness along with five other athletes. Imagine having that much success but still managing to be such a jerk every athlete you have abandons you. Also given how tough/gritty and well spoken Laura is.
He reminds me of Sleazy Salazar. I bet he took things further and tried to but failed ultimately to sleep with a few of his female contingent. It always happens with women only you don’t see such men doing such things to male athletes only to women. They have a pathological psychosexual void yet to fill with the opposite sex and so seems to take it out on them on some other ways. What they really need is Jesus at the center of that void.
About this last line - if this is an offense that everyone is so worried about (and I agree it is something to be looked at), why isn't everyone up in arms about when Steve Magness encouraged his elite professional marathoner to compete in the Boston Marathon with a known serious stress reaction in her femur, that subsequently fractured in the race and in effect ended her career. This was swept under the rug and Steve continues to coach and write books and is loved by thousands for advice, never having to answer for his ending of an athletes career by encouraging her to compete in a marathon (and especially one with the downhill pounding of Boston) while injured.
If it makes you feel better, I never could stand the annoying litttle 💩.
People love Steve Magness because he whistleblew on Sleazy Salazar. He is well loved for this point mainly. He was a hero in this regard.
The UKA should realize no one in the world really takes seriously any rules from a country that will put you in jail for praying silently in public in one place but will let other groups block traffic to pray outloud with their prayer rugs. Where they will arrest you for sharing your opinion on social media but you can behead your wife if she disobeys you and get a slap on the wrist. The UK is a confused and conflicted nation on the verge of collapse.
If Andy Young is an a**hole, which he may well be it sounds like, then his athletes will leave him, word will get out and he won't get new ones. Problem solved. But none of the offenses listed rise to the level that the UKA should get involved.
Both right and wrong 😑!!
It depends, it’s called the power of attraction in true universe. Nothing is ever truly objective nor consistently applied in space and time because to be a human being is to carry a subject inside you, period!! And God himself is also a total subject so is the sacred bible. Being subjective you must then expect that SOMETIMES things go the way you expected and sometimes otherwise. Another coach may not be indicted for doing the same thing as he did and this will always be true according to the laws of physics. There is no way around it. Due to limited resources, UKA isn’t then going to just start making a mountain out of a molehill of every complaint that comes by it’s way.
This is why God has the final say in all subjective matters which everything is. God allows some coaches to be indicted against the run of play and some not. This is how to think about things in a world of subjects!!
Vitiate - To vitiate something is, essentially, to mar or damage it in some way, whether by ruining or spoiling it ("a joke vitiated by poor timing"), corrupting it morally ("a mind vitiated by prejudice"), or rendering it null or ineffective ("fraud that vitiates a contract").
Imagine going through life with the name Vitiate. No chance at a decent job. Probably not a lot of friends and generally the brunt of endless jokes. Poor 'ol Vitiate. Probably a member of the Royal family in some capacity.
Seems like an extreme overreaction from UKA. How are any of these truly serious concerns?
Disagreeing with a physio therapist? Who cares? It’s not a disagreement with a medical doctor. A physios opinion should always be taken with a grain of salt. They shouldn’t be giving medical advice at all quite frankly. Now if a doctor says don’t run, but the coach forces the athlete to run, well that’s a problem.
Providing a food advice without having some type of formal training? Give me a break. Coaches cannot tell an athlete to eat better unless they get some certificate from Devry University? This argument always infuriates me. As if we all can’t dispense good eating habit advice to friends, families or athletes. It’s not that hard. “Hey, quit eating McDonalds and try putting some healthy options on your plate.” Again, if an actual MD has some concerns regarding an athletes caloric or nutritional intake, and the coach tries to move an athlete in another direction for performance gains, yes that’s a problem. But that doesn’t sound like the case at all.
Young does seems like a jerk, especially for allegedly leaving an athlete on the road, but here’s a solution: If your coach is an a-hole, find a new coach. Good grief, especially at the pro level.
I swear, athletes need to get a grip and take some personal accountability for themselves. The softest generation of all time.
I agree with most of what you wrote, and I'm surprised at the negative vote on your post. One thing I question is why you put so much faith in the assessment of medical doctors? Their schooling, training, and certifications may or may not position them to make better assessments than a physio or coach who is highly experienced working with elite runners. It takes a doctor who has worked extensively with elite runners to make reliable assessments wrt striking a balance on the fine line between taking time off and nursing a nagging injury while still training. This issue along with the weight appears to be the primary concern most complaints, which is reminiscent of the Salazar debacle. Coaching elite women is different from coaching elite men in terms of how to successfully handle issues that can have emotional elements.
It's a very common word choice in the reporting of court and disciplinary cases in Scotland and England
The odd thing is your focussing on a single word in this way. Maybe try expanding your vocabulary.
To match some niche British usage?
Maybe your courts should change their vocabulary to one people actually use. This is already well under way in the US, legalese is being abandoned for plain English.