Anyone know about UW? I think their 3 champs the last few years all grew up within 40 miles of campus, but idk if that extends to their XC team (or if they’re ranked).
I am quite sure the BYU W fit the criteria with Jane H, Jenna H, Riley C, Taylor R and Taylor L (I assume top 5) all hs class of 2022 or later. I'd have to examine the roster for some M teams but maybe a UVA, Stanford or Notre Dame?
upon further review BYU has Emerald Kehr on their roster who transferred in after 1 year at LSU.
Ok, since many of you think that recruiting foreigners means you can't coach, I think it's time we take this logic to its logical extreme.
Who is the #1 team in NCAA that we can all get behind? We don't want to be supporting any coaches that are taking short-cuts. So please nominate the top men's and women's NCAA xc teams in the current rankings that meet the following criteria.
1) No foreigners on the roster. 2) No transfers on the roster. 3) No overage runners on the roster.
Now how far do we take #3? No redshirts? I think so.
So which nationally ranked team (if any) features it's top 5 runners that are:
a) entirely from the US b) all started college at that school, c) features only runners from the HS class of 2022 or later.
I'm fascinated to see the results. Let's hope we aren't cheering for a blank screen.
LRC should send a trophy to the team that places the highest at NCAAs and meets these qualifications.
The coaches can put it on their desk in their office for recruits to see.
Gave it a rough try, but I left in the 2021 class because redshirting is unambiguously fair. I’m also not positive on every redshirt and I only have transfers for last year, so earlier transfers would stick around.
This documentary goes into the doping problems in Kenya, specifically, providing some reasons why, and mentions the mass corruption in the country which hinders any attempts to clean it up.
Note the documentary is at least seven years old, and conditions might be worse since then.
An athlete in the documentary says they all take epo.
Now to further put things in context, this documentary presents reasons pertaining to pro (Olympic) running being dirty, involving complicity of the very higher-ups.
I would contend that runners like Alberto Salazar and Galen Rupp probably were better runners because they had some foreign runners to contend with in college, so I think to refer to a team as LetsRun certified as having no foreigners is really a bad look, and makes me question whether I want to associate with this site.
This is an objectively FALSE opinion. There's a difference between 5% of the NCAA being international vs. 95% of the NCAA being international. We are heading towards 95%.
Besides, Hocker just won Olympic Gold in the 1500m and a world championship in the 5000m and his biggest competition in the NCAA were American's Nuguse and his own teammate Teare.
Rupp's biggest competition was Josh McDougal and Josh Rohatinsky in XC as a junior sophomore and then nobody was close to Rupp as a senior.
You think your rage-bait is funny, but there are legitimate questions as to how much foreigner participation in collegiate sports is ‘beneficial’, to whom, and who ends up paying for it.
I would contend that runners like Alberto Salazar and Galen Rupp probably were better runners because they had some foreign runners to contend with in college, so I think to refer to a team as LetsRun certified as having no foreigners is really a bad look, and makes me question whether I want to associate with this site.
This is an objectively FALSE opinion. There's a difference between 5% of the NCAA being international vs. 95% of the NCAA being international. We are heading towards 95%.
Besides, Hocker just won Olympic Gold in the 1500m and a world championship in the 5000m and his biggest competition in the NCAA were American's Nuguse and his own teammate Teare.
Rupp's biggest competition was Josh McDougal and Josh Rohatinsky in XC as a junior sophomore and then nobody was close to Rupp as a senior.
You say my post is false and then you offer no evidence to support your point. I am much smarter than you and was much better at running. I always embraced foreign competition in the classroom and in running. That is what winners do. So you know where you stand.
You think your rage-bait is funny, but there are legitimate questions as to how much foreigner participation in collegiate sports is ‘beneficial’, to whom, and who ends up paying for it.
But first start by answering fundamentally, whether professionalized collegiate sports (big business sponsored) are ‘beneficial’, to whom, and who pays for it.
... and they all have to pass an written and oral English exam.
The Brojos will not be on that list, that's for sure.
Weldon ran a 5th year at Texas. Plus we had July birthdays (and we're old for our age). And I think he's considering redshirting his daughter for kindergarten.
We clearly would not pass these new stringent new rules.
I don't have a problem with international athletes running in the NCAA, just the methods some use to get them, the lack of doping control in some of the countries, and when there are little to no educational standards for them to meet.
No problem with transfers and actually I think transferring should be supported more.
I can't think of any reason overage athletes should be allowed to compete with 18-year-olds.
I don't have a problem with international athletes running in the NCAA, just the methods some use to get them, the lack of doping control in some of the countries, and when there are little to no educational standards for them to meet.
No problem with transfers and actually I think transferring should be supported more.
I can't think of any reason overage athletes should be allowed to compete with 18-year-olds.
Your last paragraph is the weirdest repeated talking point on LR.
- College athletics isn’t age grouped sports. It just isn’t — as much as many want it to be.
- 18 yr olds aren’t meant to competitive in D1 sports. They are meant to be on JV or be backups and learn the ropes while they mature physically. At least say something like “ … compete with 20 yr olds.”
Women: Notre Dame, Colorado, BYU, NC State, UNC, Georgetown as well. Vanderbilt has a mostly American roster and looks to be developing this year to be competitive (upper half) in the foreign recruit dominated SEC. The real issue is the age of some "freshman" which adds to the sense of unfairness. If the recruits were the appropriate age it would feel less like a competition against pros and more like a global collection of elite athletes. No one really understands how a freshman can be 22-24 years old.
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I really like having internationals racing in the NCAA...to a point. I've often wondered why a State supported university, funded by taxpayers, allow for the recruitment of older, pro runners and still seem to get some satisfaction out of it when they dominate.
Last year there was this feel good story of LSU recruiting a 29 year old pro 1500 runner from Kenya and how it implied that he had to overcome his age in competing with 20 year olds. The current Iowa State roster is evidence that no one has a clue as to what's going on in cross country.
Cudos to Rojo, I busted out laughing at the concept of a high school draft. That would be epic. Draft positions/scholarships could be meted out by their finish at NCAA champs, after that Regions, Conference, XC majors like Nuttycomb/Pre Nats etc. Could you imagine being XC's version of Mr/Ms Irrelevant...and Chase Pack selected by the University of Phoenix!
I would contend that runners like Alberto Salazar and Galen Rupp probably were better runners because they had some foreign runners to contend with in college, so I think to refer to a team as LetsRun certified as having no foreigners is really a bad look, and makes me question whether I want to associate with this site.
Oregon has always had foreigners and Rupp was an overaged PROFESSIONAL runner.
My college team was 4th in the ANCAA (All Nations Collegiate Athletic Association) without any overaged, or foreign, or transfers. Not even a redshirt. All three teams ahead of us were loaded up with the United Nations diplomat-athletes.
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Women: Notre Dame, Colorado, BYU, NC State, UNC, Georgetown as well. Vanderbilt has a mostly American roster and looks to be developing this year to be competitive (upper half) in the foreign recruit dominated SEC. The real issue is the age of some "freshman" which adds to the sense of unfairness. If the recruits were the appropriate age it would feel less like a competition against pros and more like a global collection of elite athletes. No one really understands how a freshman can be 22-24 years old.
Siona Chisholm is Canadian. Colorado has British and Canadians on their roster. Georgetown has a few Brits. UNC has a Swedish girl. NC State has Hannah Gapes (NZ) and a Canadian. Vanessa Alder for BYU represents Ecuador FWIW