Trevor Painter shares the secrets of the world's top mid-d training group: "We are definitely not a double threshold group."

there are definitely some 1500-pace type workouts in this video (which is a good video btw)

True, but women's events actually skew more aerobic then men's because they take longer.
(Yes there is a difference in anerobic/aerobic contribution between a 2:00 800 and a 1:45 800 even assuming each time is an athletes max capacity)

Seems like M11 is doing good speed based MD training that suits it's athletes well. I don't think it works exclusively for women, especially considering it is based on Coe's training which worked well for him.

We aleady know from science, athletes range from muscle fiber types from fast twitch to slow twitch. I dont think its the amount of distance thats the issue. Peter Snell ran 80 to 100 miles per week but a lot of that was normal pace running. My thinking is most runners will be better off with that base in their legs going into the last 200 of an 800 race. More likely it is the quality of workouts and structure including rest and recovery and then it includes individual muscle fiber types as part of the equation. For example a fast twitch runner in trails might not respond well to 10 mile tempo meanwhile the slow twitch runner will eat it for breakfast. I hated long tempo runs but break them up into maybe fartlek or a ladder of some kind and it was much more palatable and not much difference in fitness or total distance.

I was just listening to Sage Hurts-klecker pod with citius mag and sounds like she isn’t doing any threshold anymore or just not in awhile. Doing some type of anaerobic workout then two days easy and repeat.

Is she on a 9-day training plan then? The more I train the more something other than 7-day makes sense.

I think to really do coach it well you have look at the 800 as a different event group entirely than the 1500. More so with like 400/800 rather than 800/1500.

Clearly someone has figured something out because the times today are just insane. And no, I don’t think it’s dope and bi carb completely.

Hard disagree with the point about Jakob “being in a bit of trouble” and how that is unique to his training. This is incredibly common at the elite level. It’s a common criticism of groups like Bowerman or OAC. You get 1-3 really solid years then injuries or performance dips.

The 800m is more dependent on sprint speed than a lot of people give it credit for. Looking at the women's all time lists, a lot of the top performances are from those who run a good 400/200 as well as an outstanding 800m.

To run a good 400m you need to get your 100m and 200m times down.

That's not to say you should neglect the aerobic side but it's to say that it's more speed-based than a lot of people think. You can't train for it (at least optimally) in the same way as the 1500m.

“Double threshold lovers go home devastated!!”

Why do you talk like this? Can’t you be normal?

The speed side has been the default for the last 30 years. Even the endurance guys are more like 100km/week than the 100mi/week of lydiard.