Stop perpetuating the idea that people can't PR after a certain age.
Kim Collins PRed at 40. ATHLETE.X (Cody Bidlow) on YouTube set a 100m PR this past year, at like 33.
Faith Kipyegon ran another PR two years later, at 31
We need to let go of our attachment and anxiety about aging and stop trying to bring every expectation down as a coping mechanism.
there's a difference between each of the following - being a realist, being a negative Gnarly, being a depressed 35 year old doomer, or being a desperately naive Petunia Polly.
Let's err to the side of optimism and Bryan Johnson's "Don't Die"
In Jakob's case, it's less about aging than whether injuries would keep bothering him. But assuming he is healthy now can stay this way (a very big IF), I think 5k is a lock.
I've long been a proponent of Jakob moving full time to the 3000 and above, because the 1500 is such a random event. Who would ever have predicted a Nader gold medal without Nuguse, Jakob or Hocker in the final and Kerr finishing last?
But I doubt Jakob will be satisfied until he gets either another global gold or the outdoors world record in either the 1500 or mile. Olympic gold, indoor 1500 and mile WR and all the fast times he's run and European gold medals is still one hell of a resume for someone who's best event is the 5000.
Both the the 1500m and 5000m are within his range and he can run both. He claims he trains like a HMer so there’s no focusing on either one.
Hope I'm wrong, but I think 1500m may be out of his reach after Achilles injuries two years in a row. 5k, on the other hand, is there for his taking, it he could run 13:02 with so little training.
He’s going to train the same way regardless, and racing the 1500m will not result in a higher injury risk. He has to be in near PR shape for 1500m to have a shot at a championship 5000m win. Hocker has raised the bar in the 5000m and Ingebrigtsen will have to put Hocker under some serious stress to beat him.
But the guy is literally perfectly built for 3k-5k. (...)
I know it's tough to comprehend but there is nobody ever born more suited to cruise 60's than Jakob.
THANK YOU, really. Now I feel pretty dumb because your explanation, in hindsight, is brutally obvious.
When a recreational runner who’s never competed, like me, tried to “equalize” my 3000/5000/10000 times at my peak fitness, the 5000 was by far the biggest challenge. In fact, I underperformed by just a few seconds after a failed attempt. And when I tried again, I had to drop out several times with about a mile to go, unable to hold the pace. Running an all-out 5000 still terrifies me and I’ll probably never do it again. Meanwhile, I hit my target in the 3000 on my first try.
The 10000 was my “sweet spot” because running 10–12 km was my most common workout. I lowered my projected time. The pace in the 3000 felt brutal from the start, but my stride and cadence settled in during the second km, and I hung on to the last one completely spent but, well, I only had to hold the pace a little longer. The 5000, on the other hand, feels uncomfortable from the very first km, and pure agony from about 3400-3600 onwards.
But of course, for Jakob the pace of a 12:35 5000 isn’t really demanding: it’s close to 15s/km slower than his best average pace over 1500. Of course, it still turns into a war of attrition once he gets past 3200.
But your definition of the most suited athlete ever born to cruise 60s really helped me understand it perfectly. Thanks again. I feel like an idiot now, but thanks.
" 7:17.5 3k is 1320 points 12:30 5k is 1320 points "
I’m not even going to be demagogic and say that, according to that logic, Jakob should be able to run a 43.04 or break the 800m WR by more than half a second. In his discipline, that would be equivalent to a 3:24.82.
We can’t extrapolate performances from one event to another. Moreover, the scoring is likely more accurate in events with a much larger sample size (like the 5000) than in races contested much less frequently, such as the 3000.
Do you know who Jakob Ingebrigtsen is? He's a 1500 to 5000 runner. Not a 400 or 800 runner. His sweet spot seems to be around 3000. His 12:48 pb was from 2021. You don't think a 3:26, 7:17 aerobic monster like him can run under 12:35?
Stop perpetuating the idea that people can't PR after a certain age.
Kim Collins PRed at 40. ATHLETE.X (Cody Bidlow) on YouTube set a 100m PR this past year, at like 33.
Faith Kipyegon ran another PR two years later, at 31
We need to let go of our attachment and anxiety about aging and stop trying to bring every expectation down as a coping mechanism.
there's a difference between each of the following - being a realist, being a negative Gnarly, being a depressed 35 year old doomer, or being a desperately naive Petunia Polly.
Let's err to the side of optimism and Bryan Johnson's "Don't Die"
kim collins also didn’t do weight training until he was like 39 and was not the most dedicated person ever to his training from what i’ve heard