Warholm is the world record holder. He would be terrible at 800. Sydney would run 2:05.
Warholm is the world record holder. He would be terrible at 800. Sydney would run 2:05.
Jgt11 wrote:
Ah yes, a 22.0/47.7 woman should immediately move to the 800
I mean... That's what Jarmila Kratochvílová did. She was actually supposed to run the 200, but because of a cramp and fears of tearing a muscle, she decided to switch at the last minute to "just trot 800m" without worry or stress and then thought at the finish straight, "That's impossible, the clock doesn't work!"
Her training did have a fair amount of endurance focus, and I wonder what Sydney's training is like, but as former long hurdler, that stuff hurts and would probably help.
babaganosh wrote:
The fact that no woman has run under 1:53 suggests she would probably not. For what it's worth, Kratochvilova ran 47.99 and 1:53.3 as a 400/800 specialist.
JK was actually a 200/400 specialist (21.97 in 1981). Moving up wasn't on her radar until she shockingly broke the WR. She wasn't even going to run the 800 in the WC in 1983 and just focus on the 400 to beat Koch.
And Kratochvilova was juiced to the max.
whatabout wrote:
bulky Kelly Holmes, who was also a very good 1500m runner.
Patti Sue "Never Gives Up" Palmer had an even larger frame and was world class from 1500 to 5000m.
babaganosh wrote:
The fact that no woman has run under 1:53 suggests she would probably not. For what it's worth, Kratochvilova ran 47.99 and 1:53.3 as a 400/800 specialist.
Unpopular take coming.
That jawline is starting to look pretty square.
Yes and Wayde van Niekerk would run 1:38 low if he did the same
She could likely run quite well with the appropriate training.
24 weeks of a base aerobic phase and get mileage up to 120 kms per week in a very careful and gradual process. Then get into specific training after that.
Would need a different coach like Painter, for example. There is no way to tell right at this red hot moment in time if she would become a 154/5 runner or 1:57/8 runner until she did the work.
As she is absolutely dominant now at her peak, it’s a career risk not worth taking. But, we LA28 gold, after that she may want to give it a go.
800 meter record is a bit soft, despite its age.
Syd is glowing so hard she could run 1:55 without specialized training.
Problem for her is, Chebet and Kipyegon can run 1:53.
Problem for everyone is, Femke can run 1:51.
Chef Gordon Ramzi wrote:
800 meter record is a bit soft, despite its age.
Syd is glowing so hard she could run 1:55 without specialized training.
Problem for her is, Chebet and Kipyegon can run 1:53.
Problem for everyone is, Femke can run 1:51.
Disagree about Chebet and Kipyegon. I see them no faster than 1:55.00/1:57.00
Agree partially about Bol, being potentially 1:53.00-1:54.00. she makes running fast look so easy. She's a beautiful monster.
Wetcoast wrote:
She could likely run quite well with the appropriate training.
24 weeks of a base aerobic phase and get mileage up to 120 kms per week in a very careful and gradual process. Then get into specific training after that.
Would need a different coach like Painter, for example. There is no way to tell right at this red hot moment in time if she would become a 154/5 runner or 1:57/8 runner until she did the work.
As she is absolutely dominant now at her peak, it’s a career risk not worth taking. But, we LA28 gold, after that she may want to give it a go.
That’s way too much mileage for a 400/800m runner and she’s probably closer to 200/400m anyway. Running 47.8 represents maximum fitness for her, and she’s currently capable of running her fastest possible 800m.
This is primarily a long distance running website so to speculate on her moving up is natural. Juantorina was a big guy and he did OK in 76 so there's that. She could go for the 400 800 double. Or 400H 400? Or she could do what she wants.
Yes. Dumber than a Kimmel post.
She's going to focus on the 400 for the next 36 months. Any thoughts of the 800 are being auto-forwarded to the Phucket Bucket. This hypothetical question is useless without first discussion WHEN she would ever spend 12-18 months on that event. ESPECIALLY after yesterday. If WHEN is properly handled as a hypothetical, next would the hypothetical WHY?
Disclaimer: 800m is my personal favorite event., and a waste of her time.
First, I don't think she will run an 800m and for her career/fame it is probably better if she sticks to something she can easily dominate for the LA Olympics. Winning another historic race with total domination at a home Olympics will maximize her media market value. Especially in LA.
But I believe she could smash the WR, possibly even right now. Sub 1:50 seems like a stretch but 1:52 something does not. A pretty good multiplier between 400m and 800m is 2.25 for a typical middle distance runner (A 142 flat runner would be 45.3 at 400m, or a 155 runner would be 51.1 at 400m - anyone know Keely's PR?). So if you take Sydney's time and use that multiplier, you get 1:47.5, which is ridiculous obviously, but the basic question here is how much of a sprinter is SML vs how much of a middle distance runner she is. There is a huge margin of error between 1:47.5 and the current WR. She doesn't have to be a total middle distance runner to hit 1:52, similar to how Kratochvilova was a sprinter but could still run 1:53.
It won't happen unfortunately; no coach would do this, and certainly not Kersee, but I wish she would run a setup 800m two weeks from now. Worst case scenario is some kind of bomb out like 2:00. If it was something more like 1:56, they would have an idea of whether a WR would be possible. Best case scenario is a WR and then she never runs it again, it just adds to her legend. But if she is good enough to consider the WR, next year, being a non Olympics/non WCs year is the perfect year to schedule a couple attempt setups and get that WR. Unless something really stupid happened like her running sub 1:50, I don't think she should pick it up as an event she does at WCs/Olympics though.
If she ends up being a total bomb out, then consider running the 200m as she is obviously a total sprinter and not at all a middle distance runner. Maybe she could add to her fame there.
Lastly, in all the comments made about Kratochvilova, nobody has mentioned that SML would also have the advantage of bicarb, which has transformed the 800m in the current era, so past ideas about what a sprinter could do at 800m may not be as valid as they were before bicarb. It's a new era now.
Maybe I'm stupid but I think people need to be more open minded.
Jsisjbdf wrote:
Yes and Wayde van Niekerk would run 1:38 low if he did the same
The 5'7" 138 lb 400m champ should move up to 800m. Appropriate frame.
Bol and Sydney could run 1:20 600m WR. Go out in 52 and hang on.
dkfjlk wrote:
I believe she could smash the WR, possibly even right now.
Maybe I'm stupid
At least you're aware how ridiculous your post is.
Chef Gordon Ramzi wrote:
800 meter record is a bit soft, despite its age.
Syd is glowing so hard she could run 1:55 without specialized training.
Problem for her is, Chebet and Kipyegon can run 1:53.
Problem for everyone is, Femke can run 1:51.
I'm surprised how much you like to show people how dumb you are.
runn wrote:
I don't think she could run 1:49.00 but I DO think she should move up and try it.
Take the off season to add mileage and then give it a go.
No, she should not waste her time racing or training for distances she is not well-suited for.
Her focus should be on breaking the 400 WR and putting the 400 and 400h out of reach for at least a generation.
Typically when you are world beater fast over 400m you don’t have the muscle fiber/body composition to be a world beater over 800m. Pretty dang good? Probably. I’m sure she could train to run sub 2:00 but sub 1:50 is pretty crazy. Most male 400/800 types need to run 47-48 to go under 1:50 and there’s typically a much greater drop off in pace between 400m and 800m for girls than there is guys.
I got two words for you: Jeremy Wariner.