Some super fast times in the 1000m at the Volksbank Trier Eifel Flutlichtmeeting in Trier, Germany tonight. Spain's Mohamed Attaoui just ran 2:12.25 for 1000m, which puts him #3 on the all-time list behind Ngeny and Coe. Kenya's Festus Lagat -- who was 4th in the Kenyan trials in the 1500 and won't even be at Worlds -- was 2nd in 2:12.96. That is #5 all-time.
What's interesting about the 1000m record is how is shapes up vs other records.
2.11.96 is "only" worth 1251 points which is equivalent to...
a 1.42.5 800m
a 3.29.6 1500m
a 3.46.2 mile
and a 7.28.21 3000m
The 3000m in particular is the best comparison because like the 1000m it seems to be seldom run outdoors (and even then the 1000m seems far less run than the 3). And yet am I the only one that still thinks this record is quite strong and much better than those comparisons?
When Coe set that record (1981) he also ran the 800 WR and the mile WR in that season. When Ngeny updated (1999) it he also ran 3.43.40. So even though it's a rarely run event, it's not like the last 2 WR's were set by random guys who weren't in shape the season they set it.
And yes I think that the record should probably be closer to 2.11.0 by now, but even that mark would still pale compared to every MD record on the books. Basically the mid to high 1290's is the average ballpark for all of those records except the 3000m but that would be a 2.10.1?! That just seems way too difficult - that's a 1.43.0x and 27.0x close? Something ain't right with the tables on this one.
What's interesting about the 1000m record is how is shapes up vs other records.
2.11.96 is "only" worth 1251 points which is equivalent to...
a 1.42.5 800m
a 3.29.6 1500m
a 3.46.2 mile
and a 7.28.21 3000m
The 3000m in particular is the best comparison because like the 1000m it seems to be seldom run outdoors (and even then the 1000m seems far less run than the 3). And yet am I the only one that still thinks this record is quite strong and much better than those comparisons?
When Coe set that record (1981) he also ran the 800 WR and the mile WR in that season. When Ngeny updated (1999) it he also ran 3.43.40. So even though it's a rarely run event, it's not like the last 2 WR's were set by random guys who weren't in shape the season they set it.
And yes I think that the record should probably be closer to 2.11.0 by now, but even that mark would still pale compared to every MD record on the books. Basically the mid to high 1290's is the average ballpark for all of those records except the 3000m but that would be a 2.10.1?! That just seems way too difficult - that's a 1.43.0x and 27.0x close? Something ain't right with the tables on this one.
The points scores are definitely not perfect and you can see that most with the less contested events where there's less data, or when trying to compare vastly different distances.
I've always thought the 1000m record was the equivalent of about a 1:42.00 and 3:28.00 respectively.
What's interesting about the 1000m record is how is shapes up vs other records.
2.11.96 is "only" worth 1251 points which is equivalent to...
a 1.42.5 800m
a 3.29.6 1500m
a 3.46.2 mile
and a 7.28.21 3000m
The 3000m in particular is the best comparison because like the 1000m it seems to be seldom run outdoors (and even then the 1000m seems far less run than the 3). And yet am I the only one that still thinks this record is quite strong and much better than those comparisons?
When Coe set that record (1981) he also ran the 800 WR and the mile WR in that season. When Ngeny updated (1999) it he also ran 3.43.40. So even though it's a rarely run event, it's not like the last 2 WR's were set by random guys who weren't in shape the season they set it.
And yes I think that the record should probably be closer to 2.11.0 by now, but even that mark would still pale compared to every MD record on the books. Basically the mid to high 1290's is the average ballpark for all of those records except the 3000m but that would be a 2.10.1?! That just seems way too difficult - that's a 1.43.0x and 27.0x close? Something ain't right with the tables on this one.
There was a very very in-depth discussion about this a few months ago that essentially concluded that the world record, as tough as it is now, is in the grand scheme of things quite weak and should be around 2:10 high by now if it was consistently run by the best.
One of the factors at hand being that Ngeny went through 1000m in 1:44 something and then slowed down to 28-29 something. Quite clearly at least half as second or so in there.
What's interesting about the 1000m record is how is shapes up vs other records.
2.11.96 is "only" worth 1251 points which is equivalent to...
a 1.42.5 800m
a 3.29.6 1500m
a 3.46.2 mile
and a 7.28.21 3000m
The 3000m in particular is the best comparison because like the 1000m it seems to be seldom run outdoors (and even then the 1000m seems far less run than the 3). And yet am I the only one that still thinks this record is quite strong and much better than those comparisons?
When Coe set that record (1981) he also ran the 800 WR and the mile WR in that season. When Ngeny updated (1999) it he also ran 3.43.40. So even though it's a rarely run event, it's not like the last 2 WR's were set by random guys who weren't in shape the season they set it.
And yes I think that the record should probably be closer to 2.11.0 by now, but even that mark would still pale compared to every MD record on the books. Basically the mid to high 1290's is the average ballpark for all of those records except the 3000m but that would be a 2.10.1?! That just seems way too difficult - that's a 1.43.0x and 27.0x close? Something ain't right with the tables on this one.
There was a very very in-depth discussion about this a few months ago that essentially concluded that the world record, as tough as it is now, is in the grand scheme of things quite weak and should be around 2:10 high by now if it was consistently run by the best.
One of the factors at hand being that Ngeny went through 1000m in 1:44 something and then slowed down to 28-29 something. Quite clearly at least half as second or so in there.
But surely you understand that even if one came through in 1:44.00, one has to run 27.96 to run 2:11.96, so your numbers are not correct.
What's interesting about the 1000m record is how is shapes up vs other records.
2.11.96 is "only" worth 1251 points which is equivalent to...
a 1.42.5 800m
a 3.29.6 1500m
a 3.46.2 mile
and a 7.28.21 3000m
The 3000m in particular is the best comparison because like the 1000m it seems to be seldom run outdoors (and even then the 1000m seems far less run than the 3). And yet am I the only one that still thinks this record is quite strong and much better than those comparisons?
When Coe set that record (1981) he also ran the 800 WR and the mile WR in that season. When Ngeny updated (1999) it he also ran 3.43.40. So even though it's a rarely run event, it's not like the last 2 WR's were set by random guys who weren't in shape the season they set it.
And yes I think that the record should probably be closer to 2.11.0 by now, but even that mark would still pale compared to every MD record on the books. Basically the mid to high 1290's is the average ballpark for all of those records except the 3000m but that would be a 2.10.1?! That just seems way too difficult - that's a 1.43.0x and 27.0x close? Something ain't right with the tables on this one.
There was a very very in-depth discussion about this a few months ago that essentially concluded that the world record, as tough as it is now, is in the grand scheme of things quite weak and should be around 2:10 high by now if it was consistently run by the best.
One of the factors at hand being that Ngeny went through 1000m in 1:44 something and then slowed down to 28-29 something. Quite clearly at least half as second or so in there.
It was 1:44.5 and 27.4 I think? Yes, not perfect if we now know that even pacing is better at 800, let alone 1000. I think the poster that said 1:42.00 and 3:28.00 is correct. I think the tables are a bit off, but Wanyonyi could come through in 51.5/53.0 and then close in 26-mid.
There was a very very in-depth discussion about this a few months ago that essentially concluded that the world record, as tough as it is now, is in the grand scheme of things quite weak and should be around 2:10 high by now if it was consistently run by the best.
One of the factors at hand being that Ngeny went through 1000m in 1:44 something and then slowed down to 28-29 something. Quite clearly at least half as second or so in there.
But surely you understand that even if one came through in 1:44.00, one has to run 27.96 to run 2:11.96, so your numbers are not correct.
whatever. it’s been a. long day. point is, he slowed down a lot.
There was a very very in-depth discussion about this a few months ago that essentially concluded that the world record, as tough as it is now, is in the grand scheme of things quite weak and should be around 2:10 high by now if it was consistently run by the best.
One of the factors at hand being that Ngeny went through 1000m in 1:44 something and then slowed down to 28-29 something. Quite clearly at least half as second or so in there.
It was 1:44.5 and 27.4 I think? Yes, not perfect if we now know that even pacing is better at 800, let alone 1000. I think the poster that said 1:42.00 and 3:28.00 is correct. I think the tables are a bit off, but Wanyonyi could come through in 51.5/53.0 and then close in 26-mid.
It was 1:44.6 with a sub-50 opening 400. “Not perfect” is quite an understatement!
The K may be even more difficult than the 800 to get right. The energy system demand is brutal. When Ngeny ran is 2:11, he was approx 49.8, 1:17 flat ( still a great split for an 800, the 16 year old came through his 1:42 in 1:16 and look what happened), 1:44 & STILL found fight in the last 250. All hell break loose on the final 100- look at Coe’s two best 1000’s- the last 50m in both looked unbearable. Give the 2:11.9 its credit. Though 1:41 is the new 1:43, it’s a hard distance to maintain such a high level of speed & concentration. I really do think of the 1000 as the final distance between an extreme, endurance sprint and true middle-distance.
Alright, so Attaoui is a middle-distance runner who competes for which country? And he pretty much broke out and began suddenly dropping crazy times around the same time as Sedjati and Tual, correct? So…after connecting the dots, why should I be impressed?
Spanish Moroccan == doper. In another thread it was claimed that he trained with Katir before he joined OAC Europe.
Crazy to think with all the doping, bicarb, supershoes, better track, wavelights he barely beats Cram's time 40 years ago set on a windy Gateshead track.
Spanish Moroccan == doper. In another thread it was claimed that he trained with Katir before he joined OAC Europe.
Crazy to think with all the doping, bicarb, supershoes, better track, wavelights he barely beats Cram's time 40 years ago set on a windy Gateshead track.
They once linked up for a 300s workout in Sierra Nevada when the Spanish team was based there, but they were never close training partners like Attaoui and Mills are currently.
Yaa.. Attaoui and Hoey have identical PRs at 800 but Hoey is miles better at 1500.
WR attempt!
Attaoui went like 3'32 at his only attemp at 1500m at the start of the outdoor season. He also destroyed Adri Ben at indoor nats and Adri is a 3'31 guy. If I had to guess I would say Attaoui and Hoey are almost the same at 1500m
Spanish Moroccan == doper. In another thread it was claimed that he trained with Katir before he joined OAC Europe.
Crazy to think with all the doping, bicarb, supershoes, better track, wavelights he barely beats Cram's time 40 years ago set on a windy Gateshead track.
Spain, Kenya and Morocco are better than your country in the sport while they dont have the same resources. Your old "imperial fantasy" put it in a greave and burry it for ever.
How many British or European were in the Top10 of Sydney Marathon.
You have your wealth and your mouths, nothing else.
