I did about 15 miles one day and did an interval session the next day. I wouldn't normally do that but due to various factors it was the only time I could fit in that session on the track.
This guy saw it on Strava and was convinced that by doing this session the day after, I'd "wasted" the long run - essentially as if I'd never done it. Complete nonsense right?
If you aren't a pro - life takes priority, idk what this other guy is talking about
You just need to mention him don't you? The great USA hope. Let's hope he has more hustle than the rest of the USA "Clutchless wonders" in US middle/distance running
You just need to mention him don't you? The great USA hope. Let's hope he has more hustle than the rest of the USA "Clutchless wonders" in US middle/distance running
The Russians were well known for doing two (hard) workouts in a row when I was running top class. Each workout of the two will not affect your performance and the gain was significant. They would do a big race and wheel it back the next day as long as it wasn't the same type (long run followed by high class interval) and vice versa as an example. We thought at the type that this kind of workout would cause injuries, but it didn't. It really worked out like getting 1 good workout and another 1 good workout, but it really worked out not to two, but got the equivalent of 2 and a 1/2 instead.
It worked perfectly for me because lots of times we raced heats, then semi's then finals in two days. But it didn't work to put a rest day in between or even an easy workout. Turns out on the third day was when most of the repair from the first hard workout was going on in day 3. I was lucky to have a high school coach who trained me in high school and later in university. Best of luck to you. My workouts I am talking about took place between 1957-1967 so I can understand if my information might be outdated. However, as a Master runner from 1983-1989 I was a World Champion six times.
About to turn 83 in 2 days, I can no longer run and about the slowest walker possible.
these kind of shares is a large part of why i come here. many thanks, i never heard of this as any kind of principle.
strange,,but back in the day, i cant remember being tired the next day after a hard 20 miler. on the day i was shot though, went to bed a couple of hours to recover.
Consider as a double “quality” day and wait for the super compensation gainz to roll in soon. There is no magic to the rest days. Just get enough of them to consistently keep training and providing new stimuli that challenges the body. If your long run allowed you to do intervals the next day, everything seems well controlled: the pace of your long run, the distance of your long run, what came before it and the intensity of your intervals. Tell your Strava stalker to pound sand.
I find it useful to reference other sports with different cultures and constraints (e.g., laps of a pool tending to produce an interval focus at a variety of intensities, endless cycling roads + no impact stress + ample supplies of fluids and carbs lends itself to long duration in both training and racing, running orthopedic stress limiting aggregate volume and volume modulation, etc.) to extract reliable physiological principles. In cycling for example, it is extremely common to do blocks of long Z2 one day and the next day long Z2+ over/under intervals (or vice versa), followed by either a shorter duration interval day then recovery day or straight to a very low intensity and short (or off) recovery day. So just because following a long run with intervals it's uncommon in running does not mean it is harmful, it may even be a best practice aside from injury risk.
I did about 15 miles one day and did an interval session the next day. I wouldn't normally do that but due to various factors it was the only time I could fit in that session on the track.
This guy saw it on Strava and was convinced that by doing this session the day after, I'd "wasted" the long run - essentially as if I'd never done it. Complete nonsense right?
The Russians were well known for doing two (hard) workouts in a row when I was running top class. Each workout of the two will not affect your performance and the gain was significant. They would do a big race and wheel it back the next day as long as it wasn't the same type (long run followed by high class interval) and vice versa as an example. We thought at the type that this kind of workout would cause injuries, but it didn't. It really worked out like getting 1 good workout and another 1 good workout, but it really worked out not to two, but got the equivalent of 2 and a 1/2 instead.
It worked perfectly for me because lots of times we raced heats, then semi's then finals in two days. But it didn't work to put a rest day in between or even an easy workout. Turns out on the third day was when most of the repair from the first hard workout was going on in day 3. I was lucky to have a high school coach who trained me in high school and later in university. Best of luck to you. My workouts I am talking about took place between 1957-1967 so I can understand if my information might be outdated. However, as a Master runner from 1983-1989 I was a World Champion six times.
About to turn 83 in 2 days, I can no longer run and about the slowest walker possible.
There are a lot of people pushing this idea. Daniel’s used to do rep days and tempo. A bunch of Japanese marathoners also commonly did 2 hard days in a row. And of course 2 hard workouts in the same day is super trendy these days.
I am not sure I buy the repair is in the 3rd day or DOMs maxing after 36 hours type explainations. I have a feeling a lot is that our body isn’t doing stuff on 24 hour clocks. I think some people take hard/easy to literally. Hard can be 1-3 sessions and then easy is the same.
You just need to mention him don't you? The great USA hope. Let's hope he has more hustle than the rest of the USA "Clutchless wonders" in US middle/distance running
Who are these "Clutchless wonders"?
He's probably referring to, among others, Hoey and Hoppel, who have been described as underperforming in when it matters relative to their fast SBs and PBs. (Failing at WC trials, failing in the DL final as chance to to get into WC.)
(I don't fully agree, but that would be my guess.)
I have yet to see a program that has you do interval or speed work thae day after a LR. That makes so sense to do that as you will under perform the intervals.
I have yet to see a program that has you do interval or speed work thae day after a LR. That makes so sense to do that as you will under perform the intervals.
Sez you? I've done it at least a 1000 times.
You know what, I've never thought of training as something you over perform or under perform. Training are steps to an eventual goal. If you think of today's intervals as something you need to perform, then you've got your thinking all wrong.
He's probably referring to, among others, Hoey and Hoppel, who have been described as underperforming in when it matters relative to their fast SBs and PBs. (Failing at WC trials, failing in the DL final as chance to to get into WC.)
(I don't fully agree, but that would be my guess.)
I see what you're saying....
One thing I learned from life that translates well to athletics is that sometimes you will have days like that, Grown-ups simply move forward.
Secondly, focusing on what others do, or don't do, is what losers do.
Last of all. anyone who is in the game is clutch. Anyone who makes a final in a WC or OG is clutch. Anyone who even gets invited to a DL event is clutch. Denigrating them or offering dumb advice to them is the polar opposite of clutch.
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I have yet to see a program that has you do interval or speed work thae day after a LR. That makes so sense to do that as you will under perform the intervals.
Maybe it's changed, but in the 90s a lot of college programs had you do a race Saturday, long run Sunday, intervals Monday. Repeat week after week.
I did about 15 miles one day and did an interval session the next day. I wouldn't normally do that but due to various factors it was the only time I could fit in that session on the track.
This guy saw it on Strava and was convinced that by doing this session the day after, I'd "wasted" the long run - essentially as if I'd never done it. Complete nonsense right?
Hobby joggers are an amazing breed. Strava? Interval session? Silly things to worry about if you're not good enough to be a pro.
In your next 5k, both you and your buddy here will get beat by random dudes who run on the YMCA treadmill three times a week before lifting.