Do you have any other important thing to talk about Phanuel rather than his age?
This is an old song past time...
Well, aside from him obviously being several years older than claimed, we can delve into him being a charge of a coach who has athletes under suspension because of his systematized doping protocols, which is the likely reason for his rather sudden improvement. All this aside from him being from a nation that appears to view doping as being A-OK.
You Afrophile apologists always sing the same old song.
Ok, the top 3 are practically interchangeable to me, and I’ve given it to Nuguse because he has the most career DL wins and (mostly) because I’m biased. In this scenario I envision Nuguse kicking past Koech in the final 100, with Laros coming from further back and nearly stealing it a la Pre. I’m guessing the winning time here will be a 3:29.
Reynold Cheruiyot to me should be at the “sh1t or get off the pot” point as a 1500 specialist. 2-3 years ago he was going to be the next big thing, but his PB remains 3:30.30 from 2023 and his highest global finish is 8th. This year he’s had a couple insane last 100s but only to move from 8th to 4th or whatever, so so what? Meanwhile he’s run 13:04 on the roads and his only DL win was at 5000, so if he can’t break 3:30 and finish top-5 in Tokyo, I think he should start looking at the 5000 for ‘27 and ‘28 championships where his 1500 speed and big kick could serve him well.
Simple and cheap minds talk about other peoples' ages
Shows your level of immaturity
Age is a past and simple rhetorical topic. Bring something more important
We're used to the same same dirge of age blah blah
And Kenyan athletes will keep winning whether overage or under age and there's nothing you'll do except blubbering on this forum where nothing can really change from your cheap age talks!!!!
Ok, the top 3 are practically interchangeable to me, and I’ve given it to Nuguse because he has the most career DL wins and (mostly) because I’m biased. In this scenario I envision Nuguse kicking past Koech in the final 100, with Laros coming from further back and nearly stealing it a la Pre. I’m guessing the winning time here will be a 3:29.
I agree with the top 3, but I’d like to see Nuguse third unless the win comes easily. This race is a good opportunity to stretch the legs and race Koech (+ Laros again) before Zurich, but he’s locked up his spot in the final. Coming off a hard set of races at USAs and Silesia, and with the most important race of his season next week, it’d be nice to not go all the way to the well that last lap when he doesn’t have to—especially if Koech, Laros, and maybe Cheruiyot really burn it up. They don’t have as much hard racing in their legs yet, so hopefully they can sting each other a little. Obviously he doesn’t want a poor showing, but something where he can press a bit, test them, and then chill out and know that he’s saving a bullet or two for Zurich.
Simple and cheap minds talk about other peoples' ages
Shows your level of immaturity
Age is a past and simple rhetorical topic. Bring something more important
We're used to the same same dirge of age blah blah
And Kenyan athletes will keep winning whether overage or under age and there's nothing you'll do except blubbering on this forum where nothing can really change from your cheap age talks!!!!
Sure Myron. No one will ever guess tou ulterior motives.
These tribal mouthpieces sure beat a subject to death when it bothers them.
I agree with the top 3, but I’d like to see Nuguse third unless the win comes easily. This race is a good opportunity to stretch the legs and race Koech (+ Laros again) before Zurich, but he’s locked up his spot in the final. Coming off a hard set of races at USAs and Silesia, and with the most important race of his season next week, it’d be nice to not go all the way to the well that last lap when he doesn’t have to—especially if Koech, Laros, and maybe Cheruiyot really burn it up. They don’t have as much hard racing in their legs yet, so hopefully they can sting each other a little. Obviously he doesn’t want a poor showing, but something where he can press a bit, test them, and then chill out and know that he’s saving a bullet or two for Zurich.
Strikes me as weird thinking TBH. I don’t think he can “test them,” “chill out,” and place 3rd in the same race. I also doubt there would be a real difference in how he feels in Zurich 5 days from now between running say 3:30 for 3rd and fighting to run .5 faster and go for the win.
In my mind, better than this idea of “knowing he’s saving a bullet or two for Zurich” would be his feeling like he’s on a roll and without Jakob is the best DL 1500 guy in the world.
Simple and cheap minds talk about other peoples' ages
Shows your level of immaturity
Age is a past and simple rhetorical topic. Bring something more important
We're used to the same same dirge of age blah blah
And Kenyan athletes will keep winning whether overage or under age and there's nothing you'll do except blubbering on this forum where nothing can really change from your cheap age talks!!!!
Lol.
Bruh.....
Did you miss the part where I said There is clearly ***another topic*** to bring up ***OTHER than**** the well known age lies the Kenyans have repeatedly engaged in[ and the age lying is something even their most ardent defenders admit that they have often done. See: Renato Canova]
That OTHER topic is DOPING. this is clearly beyond any doubt a problem for Kenya. They have had more high level athletes busted for doping than any other country. By far. Their track-and-field governing body, their people and their athletes ALL admit it is a big problem for their nation.
Can you really be blissfully unaware of this?!
And for the record and for your information, I have been one of the biggest defenders of kenyan runners in this board. I think they have fairly produced some of the best runners of all time. And unlike many of the posters on this board, i think many of their greats have been clean and honest [ Kipchoge, Tergat, Rudisha, etc].
Sooooo......
You are kind of making a fool of yourself. You want us to move on from the old story of Kenyan age cheating at the junior level? By all means let's do so. But be careful what you wish for because the other topic of kenyans cheating is a lot more serious and a lot more present: many of their best runners testing positive for a performance enhancing drugs which is putting a stain on all of their athletes. Unfortunately.
With all of that in mind, You may want to return the topic to age cheating after all [ one that is a lot less serious/important than the doping problem]
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Is there any value in Nuguse finishing higher than 6-8?
if the win in the diamond league final is his only option left to make it to Tokyo, why risk injury or unnecessary fatigue that could affect his race prep for next week?
If Nuguse hangs back - I think it will go Koech, Laros, Cheruiyot
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Strikes me as weird thinking TBH. I don’t think he can “test them,” “chill out,” and place 3rd in the same race. I also doubt there would be a real difference in how he feels in Zurich 5 days from now between running say 3:30 for 3rd and fighting to run .5 faster and go for the win.
In my mind, better than this idea of “knowing he’s saving a bullet or two for Zurich” would be his feeling like he’s on a roll and without Jakob is the best DL 1500 guy in the world.
Yeah, chill was poor phrasing on my part. I'm thinking about Hocker's post-USAs interview, where he said an all-out finish in a slow semi can be more fatiguing than a faster time without the kick. So I meant more of a strong effort where he takes the lead with 600ish to go, stretches the field, and makes them work to get past but doesn't push for the top gear the last 150 or so. I think he's good enough for that to get 3rd, though it could end up lower depending on who's racing well.
It's probably not fair for me to be stuck on two outlier races--fading off WR pace at Pre, fading off a generally terrible day for frontrunning at USAs--but I'm having a hard time shaking the idea that he should save something for his last shot at worlds instead of trying to nail 3 races in 12 days and potentially leaving his best race in Brussels or Silesia. Hard to argue against going for the win from a mentality standpoint, since a race should be a race and it would be great to roll into Zurich on top. But if he's going to run this one I'd prefer to see him treat it like a semifinal: snap up some points to ensure his spot in the final; see what the competition looks like, maybe make them work a little; and call it a day.
Its likely this year will see the end of the American myth called Nuguse.
One of you "deep analyst" wrote with his subconscient that Nuguse has more natural talent than Cole Hocker. It was the subconscient that was calling that time because of an American having Ethiopian roots.
However your colleague bash days and nights East Africans in these forums insulting them with all bad prejudice.
Hopefully we will see some sign that Pharmwell is slowing down now that he is in the testing pool.
When JI is over and has "move on", you will not have any cow to breast feed ... with your theories of clean white and evil Afican that dominated because of the EPO.
Even in 1950 a French Algerian beat Roger Bannister in the heats at the Olympic Games.
Hopefully we will see some sign that Pharmwell is slowing down now that he is in the testing pool.
When JI is over and has "move on", you will not have any cow to breast feed ... with your theories of clean white and evil Afican that dominated because of the EPO.
Even in 1950 a French Algerian beat Roger Bannister in the heats at the Olympic Games.
If Africans start to dominate again it will just mean there is a new drug out there that is undetectable.