The whole challenge of the 800 is holding it together over the final 200. And you can never be sure you'll hold form and speed. That's what makes each race interesting.
If eating a bunch of baking soda with a buffer to get past the stomach eliminates this factor, yes it's nice to see faster times, but that will lose all meaning pretty quick. You'll see.
Who'd a thunk a simple trick like that would make the 800 so easy, all those decades nobody knew. But there it is.
Dumb argument.
It will always be about metering effort, positioning, and holding it together down the stretch.
If it weren't, Josh Hoey would be on the Worlds team.
It's not that easy. Bi-Carb is less of a factor than you think, compared to things like caffeine, or nitrates that give a bigger percentage boost, and have 3rd party studies to back them... where-as Maurten has yet to do so because they're frightened to release data showing it's basically a placebo. Finally, none of these things amount to 800 runners' and sprinters prime performance enhancer... Raw, inherited talent.
It's not that easy. Bi-Carb is less of a factor than you think, compared to things like caffeine, or nitrates that give a bigger percentage boost, and have 3rd party studies to back them...
How many tenths of a second do you think that caffeine helps in an 800?
And how many tenths of a second do nitrates help in an 800?
super shoes are a fad. Runners just don't generally understand physics well enough to disbelieve them.
Add all the 45 and 46 400 hurdlers to the improbables list. I'm close to 100% sure Warholm was pretty much lactic free in his last 50m. Nowhere near tying up
Oddly, my physicist friend absolutely understands how super shoes work and she's never worn them.
She's read about them and the technology/science behind them and thinks they're fascinating.
it's been that long, hasn't it? How easy it is to forget 1:40.91 was never threatened at all by "super shoes." This all started just last year. And that's my last remark on this digression, this thread is about bicarb
Super shoes work on longer distances, but anything under 3k the effect should be minimal. And we should distinguish between super shoes and super spikes. Super spikes, the one you use on track, have a far lower stack height, which means the benefit is quite small compared to their "fatter" counterpart on the road.
Possibly true re: race distance and super shoes, but the impact of wearing super shoes consistently in training may have a big recovery benefit
I hope Tokyo has a pressure washer squad ready for an emergency clean of the track (and the athlete's legs) after one of the less experienced runners (i.e someone we've never seen on the DL circuit) has a major GI-accident on the second lap.
On the upside that accident will get major replay around the World - Track and Field is about to get its euqvivalent of the Superbowl fumble.
And if someone famous, imagine MSM headlines like "He came to Tokyo on a Golden Ticket and left on a Brown Note".
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Can you actually show this or are you just making nonsense claims because your country of origin actually has a string of dopers who were caught and you can't understand how any other country could compete if all of your countrymen are dirty cheaters?
Science: bicarb aids in reducing acidosis, therefore helping in races like the 800m.
Old demented troll from New Zealand: durrrrr noooooo!!!!
reducing acidosis, and optimization ,that is a scientific discipline in itself,
many routes, nebulization. oral, enema, sodium bicarbonate isn't the only base
you look at the races back in the day, and a bear is on everyone's back in the stretch
except viren with his blood bags, mcdaddy with full blown epo, elg and the atlas mountain guys, and etc.
and then there is bicarb, altitude tents, argon inhalation, blood doping, altitude training, etc. that is off the top from a person that isn't a specialist, and current.
basically you subtract 0.7 seconds per lap and you can compare with back in the day, that is just for bicarb.
and they will get better at the technique.
also hyperbaric oxygen prior will oxygenate and saturate every cell in the body that is capable
then you have glutathione, amino acids, you can nebulize them, and be completely topped up for anything, especially in the marathon will this be revolutionary.
then there are transdermal techniques, with dmso, ot deliver a host of molecules .....
there isn't going to be a level playing field,
but it's an exciting new world, the athletes are liable to feel a whole lot healthier, as the better techniques need to benefit long term to optimize, though EPO max might win you a championship, you can die, and not be so effective at that poing.
With bicarb or with something more serious, men have been running incredibly well on 800 for the last 2 years. So, what about women's 800? Apart from the odd exceptions, hardly anyone goes under 1:57.
