Has Keely ever won a race that Mu was in? No, never.
Has Mu ever won a race that Keely was in? Yes, including an Olympic final, a Worlds final, and a Diamond League final.
Keeley doesn't have a better head to head record because Mu can't even qualify for the Olympics or World Championships now. It's not Keeley's fault that Mu was hasn't shown up to any big races in 2 years.
Keeley was the 2nd best runner in the world for 3 years, and now the best runner in the world for 2 years. Mu was the best runner in the world for 2 years, and hasn't been in the top 50 since.
MASSIVE ADVANTAGE FOR KEELEY.
can't say keely is the best for a 2nd year for another month. calm down now
Mu has had a big change in a negative way. Hodgkinson hasn’t. If hodge wins Tokyo, I say the tie is broken
The tie is already broken and Keeley wins. Keeley has 2 times faster than Mu's best ever time.
If you have 2 really good years in the NFL and then nothing since, you are NOT a Hall-of-Famer.
Keeley already has a Hall-of-Fame resume in the 800 and she's only 23.
Talking about times like they matter in an era of pacers and wavelights is crazy. Wightman, Kerr and Hocker can't touch Jakob's fastest 1500's and yet look who has the gold medals the last 3 years for winning when it matters? Keely has 1 gold, Athing has 2.
not racing the DL like always. Is Femke better than Sydney because she wins a lot of DL races?
Alright, where was she in Paris?
she was bad, as she was this year. If Keely wins gold this year then i think she will have surpassed her career vs career, if she wins another silver then you can probably also make an argument that she's surpassed her. I'm just saying some of these arguments are crazy. People are already giving Keely the gold after 1 race and acting like times should be a big factor in the discussion in 2025. Unless you are Kipyegon, how many times recently has the world leader won the gold in a mid-d or distance event?
The tie is already broken and Keeley wins. Keeley has 2 times faster than Mu's best ever time.
If you have 2 really good years in the NFL and then nothing since, you are NOT a Hall-of-Famer.
Keeley already has a Hall-of-Fame resume in the 800 and she's only 23.
Talking about times like they matter in an era of pacers and wavelights is crazy. Wightman, Kerr and Hocker can't touch Jakob's fastest 1500's and yet look who has the gold medals the last 3 years for winning when it matters? Keely has 1 gold, Athing has 2.
Hilarious that you extend medal record to 2021 for Mu but only to 2022 for Jakob to make this point
Talking about times like they matter in an era of pacers and wavelights is crazy. Wightman, Kerr and Hocker can't touch Jakob's fastest 1500's and yet look who has the gold medals the last 3 years for winning when it matters? Keely has 1 gold, Athing has 2.
Hilarious that you extend medal record to 2021 for Mu but only to 2022 for Jakob to make this point
how does that change anything? OK, the guy who has won the most races and has the fastest times in each of the last 4 years has 1 gold while considerably less consistent and slower athletes have an equal amount of golds. In that same timeframe, Mu has 2, Moraa has 1 and Keely has 1. Feel better?
Keeley doesn't have a better head to head record because Mu can't even qualify for the Olympics or World Championships now. It's not Keeley's fault that Mu was hasn't shown up to any big races in 2 years.
Keeley was the 2nd best runner in the world for 3 years, and now the best runner in the world for 2 years. Mu was the best runner in the world for 2 years, and hasn't been in the top 50 since.
MASSIVE ADVANTAGE FOR KEELEY.
Correction: Mu was # 1 for two years and #3 for one year before falling off. Mu also had the fastest time in the world for three consecutive years.
The tie is already broken and Keeley wins. Keeley has 2 times faster than Mu's best ever time.
If you have 2 really good years in the NFL and then nothing since, you are NOT a Hall-of-Famer.
Keeley already has a Hall-of-Fame resume in the 800 and she's only 23.
Talking about times like they matter in an era of pacers and wavelights is crazy. Wightman, Kerr and Hocker can't touch Jakob's fastest 1500's and yet look who has the gold medals the last 3 years for winning when it matters? Keely has 1 gold, Athing has 2.
Most of that technology was also around before Athing ran 1:54.9, and she did that in the Diamond League Final when everybody is basically in peak form or just slightly off of it. Not to mention she had a full pack rolling through in 56 at the bell and she was pushed all the way to the line by Keely.
Today, Keely solo'd a 1:54.7 in a season opener at a random meet and no one was even within 10 meters of her. She basically ran the 2nd lap alone.
Also, something else to consider. We've never seen Keely bomb a 2:06 or a 2:03, for whatever that's worth.
I like Mu a lot and would like to see her succeed. She has so much natural talent that it’s beyond ridiculous. That said, Keely has had a much better career.
Talking about times like they matter in an era of pacers and wavelights is crazy. Wightman, Kerr and Hocker can't touch Jakob's fastest 1500's and yet look who has the gold medals the last 3 years for winning when it matters? Keely has 1 gold, Athing has 2.
Most of that technology was also around before Athing ran 1:54.9, and she did that in the Diamond League Final when everybody is basically in peak form or just slightly off of it. Not to mention she had a full pack rolling through in 56 at the bell and she was pushed all the way to the line by Keely.
Today, Keely solo'd a 1:54.7 in a season opener at a random meet and no one was even within 10 meters of her. She basically ran the 2nd lap alone.
Also, something else to consider. We've never seen Keely bomb a 2:06 or a 2:03, for whatever that's worth.
yeah your right. Keely just DNS's those races right? Wonder what it was she was waiting on to make her dubut this year if she was in 1:54 shape....
Just my view, but gold medals count for so much. There's nothing like being the champ. On that basis, I give Mu a slight edge because of that Worlds gold from 2022. Keely has a better body of work overall - more hardware, faster times, more wins on the circuit. I think Keely will end with a better career simply because she seems to really like being an athlete and Mu seems to suffer through it.
*I'm not counting any off-distance results in this. These women are 800m runners, what they do over the 400, 600, or 1500 isn't relevant to how they will be evaluated as runners.
Hilarious that you extend medal record to 2021 for Mu but only to 2022 for Jakob to make this point
how does that change anything? OK, the guy who has won the most races and has the fastest times in each of the last 4 years has 1 gold while considerably less consistent and slower athletes have an equal amount of golds. In that same timeframe, Mu has 2, Moraa has 1 and Keely has 1. Feel better?
So you are saying that the one with the most races and fastest times does not have anyone in front of him when it comes to amount of golds or medals? Cool. Thank you for claring that up.
Hodgkinson Olympics: 1 gold, 1 silver World Outdoor Champs: 2 silvers Diamond League wins: 8 Diamond League Final wins: 2* (Mu got a wild card for the Final and won but Keely the DL for the year)
Mu Olympics: 1 gold World Outdoor Champs: 1 gold, 1 bronze Diamond League wins: 3 Diamond League Final wins: 1* (see above)
Best 15 Times
1:54.61 Keely
1:54.74 Keely
1:54.97 Mu
1:55.04 Mu
1:55.19 Keely
1:55.21 Mu
1:55.77 Keely
1:55.78 Keely
1:56.07 Mu
1:56.30 Mu
1:56.34 Keely
1:56.38 Keely
1:56.72 Keely
1:56.86 Keely
1:57.01 Mu
So one has the better PR, one more olympic medal (both have golds), two world silvers vs gold+bronze, and a lot more DL wins/wins in general? And the other is not even qualified to worlds?
Head to head numbers are underrated, not overrated. They are the truth and the light. It's interesting that those numbers are very well known in gambling circles but seldom referenced elsewhere.
That's because fans prefer Happy Adjuster mode, making the world anything they want it to be.
Keeley will go down in history as one of the best 800m runners of all time. Her 2 best years are each better than Mu's 2 best years in the 800.
Mu has her championships but will largely be remembered as a huge talent that never realized her full potential.
Keeley is 1000x superior to Mu.
In what world is Keely 2 years better than Mu's two. To he only started winning when Athing stopped caring.
Arguably insane mental gymnastics to think she's 1000 times better with:
-a losing head to head record to Mu. 4-1
-Mu has either twice as many gold medals or 3x as many gold medals
-MU'S superior range 400m-1500m
- if we're being really meticulous Mu invalidates one of Keely diamond league championships wins too she just showed up just to win and prove a point.
-mu have a slightly slower 800 m time but she doesn't go for national or world records
If you're ever comparing two runners and one runner has ^ those advantages over the other, how the hell can you come up with she's 1000 times worse while trying to come off as completely objective lmao. The head to head record kinda ruins any objective argument for the other way around. I question your logic because it's bizarre. 2/3 golds is literally just better than 1.
Where Keely is clearly better is when it comes to placing 2nd. 4 silvers including common wealth games to Athing's Bronze. The 2 diamond league championships displaying greatness over the entire season(although athing made it clear she doesn't care about that and smoked her) Keely also goes for national/world records far more and I think that should be worth something discussing their resume. But Mu matches alot of those records without even going for the record. Like look at their 600 m times. Keely was a Sr athlete Mu a junior and almost just as fast. Don't make this a talent conversation.
Lastly, mu has a coach holding her back lmao Keely is really lucky about that. I actually really like Keely but I couldn't let someone smear Mu's name with lunacy. Imagine if Keely could never run the 800 against Georgia or even in practice lmao.
Better: Mu
-head to head record, double/triple the amount of Gold, more talented at other events.
Greater: Tie for now
- Mu's 3 golds and 1 Bronze vs Keely's 1 gold and 3 silvers.one more medal would tip it in favor of keely. But to be clear, it wouldn't make her a better runner if we're talking about talent. I think that's just been proven for years now that Athing is more talented and that's crazy cause Keely is truly great all-time talent too.
I like Mu a lot and would like to see her succeed. She has so much natural talent that it’s beyond ridiculous. That said, Keely has had a much better career.
I have a thread comparing Kerr to Centro. If you guys would have read some of the reasons people think Centro was better(he's not) and them came back here to this thread. Some people can be objective and really try to defend their point. Others just are biased.
Clearly some think Olympic gold is the end all be all. Mu has that, AND a world title from over 2 years ago and they're the same age. This can't ever be a talent conversation just one about accolades.
Also you didn't even give a reason why Keely is better but she's had a "much better" career.
she was bad, as she was this year. If Keely wins gold this year then i think she will have surpassed her career vs career, if she wins another silver then you can probably also make an argument that she's surpassed her. I'm just saying some of these arguments are crazy. People are already giving Keely the gold after 1 race and acting like times should be a big factor in the discussion in 2025. Unless you are Kipyegon, how many times recently has the world leader won the gold in a mid-d or distance event?
One gold medal and a 1:54 and people are acting like they weren't literally calling her the silver strider on here a few years ago lmao