Cooper Lutkenhaus Bi Carb

You obviously did not listen to the interview.

Interesting how Maurten used to caution against taking more than 2x per week, but their most recent FAQ says 2-3x per week now.

I can infer that it is meant for key races and time trials, and not regular use. Mostly because a single serving of the 25 system gas 6,800mg of sodium. That can’t be good for you to take on the regular.

For context, this is more sodium than half a liter of sea water (5,283mg). This could lead to sodium poisoning; coma; and death if taken too often.

I dont think bicarb does all that much. Ive got some,and i use it for cleaning,and indigestion

I'm friends with 2 high school girls who are distance runners who are top 10 in the country. One uses bicarb and the other one doesn't.

The one who uses bicarb also uses a lot of other supplements. The one who doesn't only takes a multivitamin and iron.

bi carb, doping, 2025 grey area drugs, trampoline spikes, the times just aren't real these days.

Miss the early 2000s and beyond.

Fly carb is a lot lower in sodium at only like 300mg

It sounded like he was talking about taking pure sodium bicarbonate, not the Maurten Bicarb System. He said that he didn't try bigger doses due to stomach or digestive issues which isn't something someone taking Maurten would say. Also idk what the shelf life of Maurten is once you mix it but I doubt a high schooler would be "microdosing" it (your words, not his) and in turn wasting so much of this expensive product.

I think the perfect event for Bi-carb is the 800m. I wouldn’t doubt it if 3 athletes run better than 1:41 this year.

A quick 800 cat--we're talking 150 flat, circa 2010, once told me, "baking soda, I got baking soda." Then he started sniffing it profusely with some hot women he referred to as snow bunnies. Based on that evidence, I can assure you that bi carb use has been around for a while.

Sign me up for it if it can make my 400m repeats 4sec (8%!) faster with less strain. Sounds too good to be true!

Relax. His coach never said that Cooper got 4 seconds faster in his 400 repeats because of bicarb.

Buddy talking bout the end of the EPO era and then the NOP era

I think virtually everyone under 1:50 at any age is taking it, though many won't admit it

I’m willing to bet nearly 85% of top talent is using bicarb. If you go to USAS you can literally watch everyone start their routine about 2:30 to 90 mins before their race.

shoes+bicarb+ not racing every stupid meet every week is what is making these kids better. I’m not a super shoe hater they definitely aid in recovery.

high school kids using it is no surprise. You gotta remember there’s massive incentive for high school coaches to produce talent. If you coach a bunch of 1:47-1:49 guys in high school it’s that much easier to get a college gig if that’s what you want. Better yet you get a private coaching gig where kids are paying 150 a month for you.

I think people are still using sodium heavy electrolytes like LMNT which makes them bonk because the sodium intake is essentially a gut bomb on race day. I think that’s a big part of why there are non-responders.

I'm 38...took it 3x this year (800, mile, and 5k)...didn't notice a difference. Glad I tried it though. Best run was either 4:26 road mile or 16:30 5k...

[do your own research; I've never consumed Baker's Ammonia or ammonium bicarb, but it is capable of being used, apparently]

You could do a mix of ammonium bicarbonate, sodium bicarb, and potassium bicarb. Put into a matrix of alginate, xanthan gum, hydroxypropylcellulose, starch, and sweeteners or flavors of your choice.

at home, I have corn starch and hyaluronic acid powder, and I also have seaweed and chia seeds. I would probably blend some of these with water to form a gel, then add the alkaline component

Have your bicarbonate sources clump up by adding a small amount of moisture in advance, so that they can form peppercorn sized clumps.

you basically take this gel matrix and to it, add the clumps of bicarbonate

Correct. This is a much more accurate depiction. I summarized it as "microdosing" only because he mentioned he was trying it in smaller doses. It's just interesting to me that it is reaching even highschoolers or the normalcy of it. I thought Bicarb was a newer thing.

Maurtens bicarb has been around for 2 years. Not many runners tried it in 2023 but it got very popular at the pro level in 2024. In 2025 Maurtens bicarb has trickled down to college and high school runners using it.

Baking Soda or Bicarb has been banned for over 40 years in thoroughbred horses and harness racing when it was proven to be a performance enhancer. This is especially true for harness horses. Neutralizes Lactic Acid and thus keeps the pH of the blood steady. Doesn't really make you faster unless you use it in training to work harder like athletes testing their lactic acid level you athlete can tolerate doing certain workouts.

In the 400m it is difficult to run even splits because the lactic acid builds up and muscles become less efficient. 800m is a perfect distance because with it blood pH regulated makes the second lap easier. The bright side is you can also say the extra baking soda came from you eating too much cup cakes.

At my home race track, they announced that quite a few trainers were fined and suspended because the stewards found Baking Soda that wasn't used on cupcakes. Tim, my friend and I went to the nearest large grocery store. Low and behold the shelves were empty that previously held Baking Soda. No, the store didn't take them off the shelf, because both the thoroughbred and harness trainers bought the store out.