2nd Kenyan gets popped for same drug as Ruth Chepngetich - Hydrochlorothiazide. Does this raise or lower odds Ruth was dirty?

Hydrochlorothiazide (HCTZ) isn't some mystery substance it's a textbook masking agent It's not used to get faster it's used to hide the drugs that make you faster. Athletes don’t “accidentally” end up with HCTZ in their system. It’s not something you randomly ingest unless you’re actively taking a banned diuretic for a very specific and shady reason. This isn’t a contaminated supplement case. This is someone taking a known diuretic used to flush PEDs.

This isn’t “both sides” journalism, it’s willful ignorance. You’re trying to sound fair and nuanced, but all you’re doing is defending an obvious cheat with “just asking questions” energy.

If you want a real world example of how this drug is used, look no further than Lance Armstrong’s era diuretics like HCTZ were staples in the masking regimens. Same script, new actors.

masking agent term is midused.

masking is when you ingest a substance to interfere with the testing of the ped drug in the system.

we are talking about washing out ped residue and metabolite out of the system, so there is nothing to detect.

it would be interesting to see when wada et al started to focus on this HClT.

and establish how long it was commonly used. as this protocol is obviously in place of late.

basically, african results mean nothing what so ever.

But HCTZ is easily detected for 10 days or more. Since it's banned and detectable, why use it? You're betting on a window of nearly 2 weeks where you aren't going to be tested. Unless it flushes out another drug with a much longer detection time

Never heard of her...who is she.I reckon even ordinary Kenyans don't know who she is.But obviously you guys on here get overly excited to drive a narrative. Drive it all you can but you are wasting your time because we can all see the motivation behind it.Actually,it was clever of you leaving it to @coevett to drive it.Atleast ,you appeared innocent. Anyway just do it,now that you have decided to openly do it.

Given that the failed test is for a diuretic, is it likely that its function in the cocktail is to flush out the actual performance enhancers? Genuine question.

Edit: oops redundant post, should have read the next couple responses in the thread.

worth re-mentioning.

someone in the know should chime in, as i'm dated

that said

what people are doing, which worked prior, is to flush out the system after a cycle, or especially when drug testing is coming down, and advanced warning of a test, is something to look into.

basically, if testing is in the hands of locals, or the locals know wada is coming to town (through travel itinerary), the athletes chugs the "masking" agents 24/7.

i'd look into that loophole. again people in the know, will know.

what i'm strongly insinuating, is that only a fraction of the kenyans on PEDs have been caught.

WADA reports that 80% of the Africans making the podium in high profile races are untested.

we are talking about near 100% usage.

so, after the half marathoner that ran in 56, the moron lady running the 4 min mile, the 209 bearded lady who ran 209, the upcoming 134x lady 5k , the upcoming 284x 10k lady, and sorry, the next 2 hr marathon guy.

KENYA WILL BE BANNED and Ethopia / Botswana / S Africa who are doing the same, would be warned...

i leave out WANYONYI, as a natural, but the facts fly in my face on that.

of course, the western countries are on top of letal peds and hacks now....

so we are talking about hard drugs versus soft drugs.

whiskey versus beer PEDS

Yeah unfortunately we are there.

Yep we get it - it's not state sponsored like Russia, it's not institutionalized with respect to the state (only it is within the culture of Kenyan athletes), "innocent athletes will suffer", yep too f--ing bad - enough with the limp-wristed apathy.

You give whoever is clean over there "AIN" status as Individual neutrals, but Kenyan is done. And I tell you what, I wouldn't mind betting that all these scumbag European agents deeply involved in this all of a sudden didn't find it safe to go there anyone or the ramshackle clinics/doctors that are supplying athletes dried up pretty quickly.

It's just an absolute gong show right now, how much is enough?

How comes democrats cry about doping from africans? Its just poor people levelling the playing field like affirmative action

i go further.

i am insinuating that the state in question, while not running a program, elements of government are involved, as in bribery, manipulation, and outright covert cheating.

So to be honest, this is where I am at too. It's framed up as "oh we have no idea, we are just as disgusted as everyone else, we are doing our best" but I'd love to know (just an example) where all of Sebs 5 million dollars into Kenyan anti-doping really is going because it doesn't seem to be working.

The problem is, the chances of anyone internally there coming forwards and shedding any true light on what's happening is basically zero - nobody wants to "disappear" or end up "in a car accident". But I, like you, have no doubts it's a web of all those things you mentioned just sold under this total BS "victim" narrative.

Yes! Plus, ADAK catches only the small fish, suggesting that they either ignore the big ones or get direct bribes from them.

All the stars like Ruth got caught by the AIU, even if in Kenya.

Judy Jelagat Kemboi did not have race results prior to 2023, so what times was she running 2020 to 2022? She would have been 20 to 23 then.

In 2023 she was consistently running 1:07 half 'thons. A lot of them.

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Judy Jelagat KEMBOI | Profile | World Athletics

Judy Jelagat KEMBOI, Kenya - 10 Kilometres Road, Half Marathon, Road Race, 20 Kilometres Road

Link:worldathletics.org/athletes/kenya/judy...

12th most common drug in the USA:

"Two companies, Merck & Co. and Ciba Specialty Chemicals, state they discovered the medication which became commercially available in 1959.[6] It is on the World Health Organization's List of Essential Medicines.[7] It is available as a generic drug[3] and is relatively affordable.[8] In 2022, it was the twelfth most commonly prescribed medication in the United States, with more than 38 million prescriptions.[9][10]"

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Hydrochlorothiazide

Hydrochlorothiazide, sold under the brand name Hydrodiuril among others, is a diuretic medication used to treat hypertension and swelling due to fluid build-up. Other uses include treating diabetes insipidus and renal tubular...

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And among chronic conditions, where does hypertension rank among Americans? Conversely, is there an endemic of hypertension among Kenyan athletes?

You cannot raise it higher than 100%

Why would anyone get caught there are hundreds