It has been a week and no one is willing to talk about Dillon Maggard?
It is crazy how they always sweep these mysterious departures under the rug. Nia Akins and Luke Houser and now Dillon Maggard. WTF is happening in Seattle?
First off they park their cars in Seattle and train in ABQ 7 months outta the year(feels like).
second Luke got handsy and that was stated in another thread. He got the Cas Loxom treatment.
Nia had a full blown mental breakdown and did something embarrassing and that’s why no one will talk about it. Things went totally left for her after that. Funny but kinda worrying.
The only member of the Brooks Beasts that is going to Worlds is Josh Kerr. Zero representation from US contingency of the Brooks Beasts. This group is supposed to be an 800-1500 training group. They didn’t have a male or female in the 1500 final. Josh Kerr is saving Danny Mackey’s job.
Depending on what happens at NACAC this weekend, John Rivera of the Beasts could get inside the quota in the 800.
Interesting that Brandon Miller from the Beasts is also entered in the 800 at NACAC. Is Miller going to the Bahamas for the easy bonus points, or was he asked to sign up for the US team to help Rivera out?
I felt bad for Spencer when he was there. Seemed like Danny Mackey viewed him as an afterthought and didn’t individualize any of his training, which forced him to try to hang with Kerr/squad in every workout when he clearly wasn’t ready for it. This resulted in a gnarly injury cycle which essentially ended his hopes of being a trials qualifier type runner and wrecked his mental confidence.
I mean wouldn’t you do the same thing? You’ve got 3:29 runner, you’ve got 3:33-3:36 runners, and then you have a dude with a 3:39.9 pB whose having a bad season struggling to break 3:42
I felt bad for Spencer when he was there. Seemed like Danny Mackey viewed him as an afterthought and didn’t individualize any of his training, which forced him to try to hang with Kerr/squad in every workout when he clearly wasn’t ready for it. This resulted in a gnarly injury cycle which essentially ended his hopes of being a trials qualifier type runner and wrecked his mental confidence.
I mean wouldn’t you do the same thing? You’ve got 3:29 runner, you’ve got 3:33-3:36 runners, and then you have a dude with a 3:39.9 pB whose having a bad season struggling to break 3:42
If it was my job to coach Spencer, I would have individualized his training and not forced him to run with the group when he wasn’t up to their level.
In hindsight, it would’ve helped Mackey and the Beasts reputation so much if they could’ve gotten Spencer to a 2021 trials qualification time. Instead, he regressed under Mackey, which makes the brand and Mackey look bad.
It has been a week and no one is willing to talk about Dillon Maggard?
It is crazy how they always sweep these mysterious departures under the rug. Nia Akins and Luke Houser and now Dillon Maggard. WTF is happening in Seattle?
First off they park their cars in Seattle and train in ABQ 7 months outta the year(feels like).
second Luke got handsy and that was stated in another thread. He got the Cas Loxom treatment.
Nia had a full blown mental breakdown and did something embarrassing and that’s why no one will talk about it. Things went totally left for her after that. Funny but kinda worrying.
If that were true, then they should re-evaluate (by saving money and not having an elite team).
Pro sponsorship obviously works, whether you realize it or not. Nobody here took Hoka seriously until they started sponsoring elites in the early 2010s.
You may not care who wears Brooks shoes, but you're still vaguely aware that the shoes are good enough that pros wear them.
Incorrect! Sponsorship might work on fanboys. I am not a fanboy. I had no idea Brooks sponsored elite runners until I opened this thread, and I only opened it because I run in Brooks shoes.
I don't follow elites at all. I don't recognize any of the names in this thread and don't care to learn them. I wish Brooks wouldn't sponsor them if it would save me a nickel off their shoes.
Curious about how much money Brooks puts into both the Beasts and Hansons every year? For being fairly well-established, well-supported teams connected with a higher tier brand, the performance ROI on both seems to be well below their ceilings.
Mackey has done well with Miller, except for tactically. Last year he survived the ill-fated backstretch move at Trials. This year it probably cost him a World Indoors medal and a sub-1:43 at Trials (can’t see him making the team though). Whitmarsh is exciting because he’s excellent tactically with great instincts/pace.
If it was my job to coach Spencer, I would have individualized his training and not forced him to run with the group when he wasn’t up to their level.
In hindsight, it would’ve helped Mackey and the Beasts reputation so much if they could’ve gotten Spencer to a 2021 trials qualification time. Instead, he regressed under Mackey, which makes the brand and Mackey look bad.
Totally agree with this. I got really turned off from the Beasts when I listened to a Kerr/Ribich podcast hosting Danny and they were mocking Spencer.
Really rich of Ribich to make fun of someone for being like an influencer type when his own performances didn't quite shine and he was trying to be an influencer with a much smaller reach than Spencer. And just unprofessional of Danny to go along with it.
As someone who actually runs in Brooks shoes, I don't see any reason for them to reevaluate anything. I want good shoes at a good price. I don't care in the least about some elite team made up of people I've never met and who don't care that I exist. Pro sponsorship means nothing to me.
Sounds like a good reason for them to re-evaluate spending money on pro sponsorship of an elite team, then, genius.
From a purely athletic standpoint the Brooks Beast have stunk over the years. Very few of their athletes for the last 15 years have done anything. True, take Josh Kerr out of the team and they are unsuccessful and Danny Mackay is unemployed. But from a marketing standpoint they at least get people to look at the Brooks name by being out on the track or in the community. So is Brook's financial cost for the Beasts worth it for a marketing strategy? Probably so.
Mackey has done fine with the talent he gets. It’s easy to look like a coaching hero when you get top tier talent year after year. Just like it’s easy to succeed when you’re at a high altitude college with a hearty scholarship allotment to distance only. You see where I’m going with this….
The Brooks Beasts have been good for the sport and for the Brooks brand. They have helped create market value for themselves and athletes. They have forced other footwear brands to compete or get out.
Now, that all written, the footwear team model is dead and overpriced. It was great 10-15 years ago, but now it doesn’t fit. Individuality is the new era. Athletes like to train together, but live where they want and be coached by who they want. They certainly don’t want their sponsor dictating this. In what other sport would that arrangement be acceptable?
Nobody forces an athlete to join a shoe company-sponsored team. But if an athlete went out on their own they'd have to pay for a coach out of their own pocket, pay for their own training partners like Fisher does, find their own physio and gym on their own, not to mention training facilities. Not every athlete has the means or will to do that.
As someone who actually runs in Brooks shoes, I don't see any reason for them to reevaluate anything. I want good shoes at a good price. I don't care in the least about some elite team made up of people I've never met and who don't care that I exist. Pro sponsorship means nothing to me.
If that were true, then they should re-evaluate (by saving money and not having an elite team).
Pro sponsorship obviously works, whether you realize it or not. Nobody here took Hoka seriously until they started sponsoring elites in the early 2010s.
You may not care who wears Brooks shoes, but you're still vaguely aware that the shoes are good enough that pros wear them.
you are dilutional. armadillo is correct. 99% of the people who buy brooks have no clue who the beasts are or can name any member. they make poverty wages save kerr. there aren't 5 people that buy brooks have a clue who someone name josh kerr even is because an overwhelming majority of people who buy brooks and all the other brands do not run.
"Pro sponsorship obviously works, whether you realize it or not. Nobody here took Hoka seriously until they started sponsoring elites in the early 2010s." really? the first person in the u.s. to be "sponsored" by hoka was ultra runner karl meltzer. hoka made one model of shoe. a trail shoe named the stinson. even he admits difficulty in getting shoes sent of here in order to meet his needs. how many people in 2010 knows any of this, let alone starting taking hoka seriously on LRC? funny because up until recently, the readers of this page pretty much bash trail running. soon after the stinson, came hoka's 1st road shoe, the bondi. again the bondi became a hit with the non running public slowly. it wasn't until a few years later that the clifton came along and it became a hit with, yes, once again, the non running public. it was and remains hoka's best selling running shoe. that's what put them on the map. i dare say, what gave hoka cred on this site was when hoka started backing northern arizona elite, and only then.
again, the reason pro's wear brooks is primarily because they are paid to wear brooks, or they are given to them.
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I mean wouldn’t you do the same thing? You’ve got 3:29 runner, you’ve got 3:33-3:36 runners, and then you have a dude with a 3:39.9 pB whose having a bad season struggling to break 3:42
If it was my job to coach Spencer, I would have individualized his training and not forced him to run with the group when he wasn’t up to their level.
In hindsight, it would’ve helped Mackey and the Beasts reputation so much if they could’ve gotten Spencer to a 2021 trials qualification time. Instead, he regressed under Mackey, which makes the brand and Mackey look bad.
