I'm really in SHOCK, speechless 😮 about Cooper's performance seriously 😳
I'm really in SHOCK, speechless 😮 about Cooper's performance seriously 😳
Greatest 800m performance I’ve ever seen by anyone not named David Rudisha. He has a bright future ahead of him!
Wake up everybody. A high school kid runs 1:42 and you're not suspicious but your suspicious about a 3:27 Kenyan. Both should be under the microscope, and I do believe he's doping. The kid is 16 running world class times.
The difference is the doping agency is 100x better in the US then Kenya.
Too bad he didn’t take out Doper Donny. Hopefully Lutkenhaus has something left for Tokyo.
Is it the shoes? wrote:
Is it because of new super spikes or is the next generation just better?
Buddy just started implementing the norwegian singles method
We just watched a science experiment blow the door off of grown men in the last 100m. Everyone called me crazy to just pop the question that he’s got Tropicana juice in his veins. USADA need to have testers at his hotel room tonight and a biological passport is mandatory.
WTF? How is that even possible?
crt wrote:
Wake up everybody. A high school kid runs 1:42 and you're not suspicious but your suspicious about a 3:27 Kenyan. Both should be under the microscope, and I do believe he's doping. The kid is 16 running world class times.
Exactly! The double standards on this forum are unbelievable. Koech, P has been slaughtered for months but this kid is being praised??
The obvious American bias is strong on letsrun. But they never give any rational opinions on why he’s possibly clean. All they say is “why would a high schooler take drugs” or they call you rude and stupid. We need a biological passport immediately.
Is it the shoes? wrote:
Is it because of new super spikes or is the next generation just better?
He got 2nd at USAs. Does it even matter? Everyone has access to the same shoes.
I mean it is Jim Ryan if clean
Also how about how he had to veer out to lane 4 or whatever for the last 100 meters? He probably lost a few tenths just from having to do that.
hate to be the guy to say this, but I’m just curious — could he break 3:50 in the mile right now?
crt wrote:
Wake up everybody. A high school kid runs 1:42 and you're not suspicious but you’re suspicious about a 3:27 Kenyan. Both should be under the microscope, and I do believe he's doping. The kid is 16 running world class times.
Yeah the kid has no lactic build up. No chance he’s clean , no chance
The upsetting part about this situation is that it took him running 1:42 for him to be now classified as likely doping. But it’s not ridiculous to say his 1:45 in rain soaked track was enough evidence already. People need to wake up in this sport.
EPO sedjati wrote:
We just watched a science experiment blow the door off of grown men in the last 100m. Everyone called me crazy to just pop the question that he’s got Tropicana juice in his veins. USADA need to have testers at his hotel room tonight and a biological passport is mandatory.
I am american and I completely agree. I know this is what talent does but we always have to be sure. I still freaked out and if I saw someone when I found out I would’ve started talking their head off about cooper’s insane performance
We cannot let bias overshadow the truth. The truth in sport is that it’s not fair, and if something is too good to be true, it usually isn’t real.
Holy scheisse wrote:
Also how about how he had to veer out to lane 4 or whatever for the last 100 meters? He probably lost a few tenths just from having to do that.
hate to be the guy to say this, but I’m just curious — could he break 3:50 in the mile right now?
I like where your mind's at, but he's a 400/800 guy so I strongly doubt it unless he changes his whole training model, which I really don't see him doing atm.
looking_good wrote:
I mean it is Jim Ryan if clean
ya, i called him ryan incarnate last week, after seeing 46 400m at age 16 coupled with cross country ability.
you have a guy that may ultimately have a 44 second 400 in him, and a very decent mile,
of course you don't want to do anything else training wise than he is already doing, or leave it to the coach.
of course all this spells world record, with no speculation.
and the close in 12 mid 100m
that is where the 2 and 4 hundred meter records are soft, relatively
and this guy in baby years has the strength almost no one in the event has, or ever had, that is the last 100m split in a very fast race.
ryan incarnate indeed.
The drug argument needs to go back a few years, because when Cooper was 14 he ran one of the fastest 400m times ever in the US for his age (48.7, less than one second slower than Quincy Wilson's age group record). He also crushed the nation's middle schoolers in the 800 meters, meaning that he had both elite speed and elite strength.
That's the profile of a kid who could become a very special 800m runner. So, I think if the argument is that he couldn't do this performance clean, the argument implicitly is saying that he was doping as an 8th grader.