The 400 and 800 are different events. If he thought he was in 1:44 shape then he wouldn't waste his time racing the 400 when he had NO CHANCE of making team USA.
I understand your point, but doesn't it occur to you that 1:44 at these champs is also ran? I think it will take 1:42.0x to make the team
I'm well aware. Again I'm saying, even if he was in 2023 shape when he won NCAA's in 1:44 he probably still wouldn't make the final. Semifinal at most.
But evidently he is in better shape now than he was then because he was not running 45.0 in the open 400 that year. So that gives me hope he will for sure be a 1:42 man in the future
The 400 and 800 are different events. If he thought he was in 1:44 shape then he wouldn't waste his time racing the 400 when he had NO CHANCE of making team USA.
The point is that he is good at both. He's not "wasting time" doing anything... he's destroyed his 400M PB from back when he was still a high schooler, after three years consisting of focusing on the 800m and going through injury hell all of last year.
For him to be coming back this strong in an event he doesn't even necessarily specialize in is a hell of a good sign. Of course I wasn't expecting him to make team USA in either event but that doesn't matter.
The fact he has made it this far after being injured for so long and only adjusting to serious training for ~6 months is super encouraging. Really rooting for him
Remember when people said Noah Lyles was gonna run a crazy fast 200 because he improved his 60 and his 100? They're different events. Doesn't translate equally
After scorching 44.1 just last month, teenage phenom Quincy Wilson dropped a 45.39 stinker to miss the U.S. Final. !!!!!
I mean he is 17 years old. Sucks but not exactly the end of the line.
some runners don't recover well from fast heats
this is a plague for the runner, because in one off races you shine but at champs, you bring your B game to the final because you're not recovered
and end up as being the choker, the guy that can't win the big one.
Rupp was one of these guys, after the 10k at his max, his next 5k, he was done at the bell lap..
Asafa Powell and Fernando Mamede were prime examples.
Hobbs Kessler might have a small edge taken away in the heats.
David Bedford ran like a dog after a hard race within a few days after.
This phenomena, while obvious, reasonable, isn't realized by many here, and Johnathan can consider this, and add to his developing excellent analysis. this guy learns.
I mean he is 17 years old. Sucks but not exactly the end of the line.
some runners don't recover well from fast heats
this is a plague for the runner, because in one off races you shine but at champs, you bring your B game to the final because you're not recovered
and end up as being the choker, the guy that can't win the big one.
Rupp was one of these guys, after the 10k at his max, his next 5k, he was done at the bell lap..
Asafa Powell and Fernando Mamede were prime examples.
Hobbs Kessler might have a small edge taken away in the heats.
David Bedford ran like a dog after a hard race within a few days after.
This phenomena, while obvious, reasonable, isn't realized by many here, and Johnathan can consider this, and add to his developing excellent analysis. this guy learns.
Are any of those guys listed a high school kid?
Only on Letsrun does a high school kid get called a "choker" for running a 45s 400m.
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He’s clearly a talent, regardless of his questionable form. Yet, he is being mismanaged by the incessant racing, making every meet, indoor and and out, trying to run the 600, etc. Maybe he’s collecting appearance fees? It just seems unnecessary to race that much, if in theory, the objective is to make the senior team in July/August. He is going against grown men, in a grown man event. He needs to do it with everything in his favor, not as just the next race.
After scorching 44.1 just last month, teenage phenom Quincy Wilson dropped a 45.39 stinker to miss the U.S. Final. !!!!!
He’s 16. Give him some time. Racing heats, semis and then a final over the course of a couple of days is a going to be tough for someone that young. He’s naturally going to fair better right now in straight finals such as when he ran his 44.1.
I mean he is 17 years old. Sucks but not exactly the end of the line.
some runners don't recover well from fast heats
this is a plague for the runner, because in one off races you shine but at champs, you bring your B game to the final because you're not recovered
and end up as being the choker, the guy that can't win the big one.
Rupp was one of these guys, after the 10k at his max, his next 5k, he was done at the bell lap..
Asafa Powell and Fernando Mamede were prime examples.
Hobbs Kessler might have a small edge taken away in the heats.
David Bedford ran like a dog after a hard race within a few days after.
This phenomena, while obvious, reasonable, isn't realized by many here, and Johnathan can consider this, and add to his developing excellent analysis. this guy learns.
How you incorporated Fernando Mamede, Hobbs Kessler, Galen Rupp and David Bedford into the same post is beyond me. Nonetheless, What "phenomena" are you referring to? Surviving rounds in a championship meet? The simple answer is by preparing yourself in training. Simulating "races" with workouts over the course of 3-4 days while at the same time executing a solid recovery plan between sessions. Once your fit, and are familiar with running multiple rounds within a few days it's just a matter of going out and "Racing". The opening round is often the most difficult due to knowing you have another round (you hope), or another event your competing in, and you'll have a tendency to over think and be too conservative. Run the opening round as if it were the final, when and ONLY when the race objectives are in hand do you "let up" and or "shut down" to conserve energy. The subsequent round(s) are much easier with regard to racing, you feel how you feel, just go out and compete. If you're fit it will show, if not, you'll know right away.
this is a plague for the runner, because in one off races you shine but at champs, you bring your B game to the final because you're not recovered
and end up as being the choker, the guy that can't win the big one.
Rupp was one of these guys, after the 10k at his max, his next 5k, he was done at the bell lap..
Asafa Powell and Fernando Mamede were prime examples.
Hobbs Kessler might have a small edge taken away in the heats.
David Bedford ran like a dog after a hard race within a few days after.
This phenomena, while obvious, reasonable, isn't realized by many here, and Johnathan can consider this, and add to his developing excellent analysis. this guy learns.
Are any of those guys listed a high school kid?
Only on Letsrun does a high school kid get called a "choker" for running a 45s 400m.
It doesn't matter how old he is, or if he's in high school. I wouldn't necessarily call him a "choker", but he's entered in the USA Track and Field-World Championship Trials. This is Big Boy racing, and he's fully aware of it. He's truly a diamond in the rough, and got to sip from the golden cup of athletics last year, now he's got to validate his past success and build on it. If someone doesn't clean up that "train wreck" running form, he's gonna have a very difficult time improving...and validating.
As the old saying goes, "Getting to the top of the mountain is the easiest part, staying on top is the hard part".
Only on Letsrun does a high school kid get called a "choker" for running a 45s 400m.
It doesn't matter how old he is, or if he's in high school. I wouldn't necessarily call him a "choker", but he's entered in the USA Track and Field-World Championship Trials. This is Big Boy racing, and he's fully aware of it. He's truly a diamond in the rough, and got to sip from the golden cup of athletics last year, now he's got to validate his past success and build on it. If someone doesn't clean up that "train wreck" running form, he's gonna have a very difficult time improving...and validating.
As the old saying goes, "Getting to the top of the mountain is the easiest part, staying on top is the hard part".
This. Using his age as an excuse doesn't mean anything. He's shown he's capable of running competitive times against pros, but whenever he messes up it's always "oh he's just a kid," "oh he's 17 give him time"
News flash. When you are registering to compete in an environment that competitive, nobody gives a sh*t how old you are. There's no excuse. People have good and bad races all the time regardless of their age, and that's just the way the sport works.
It doesn't matter how old he is, or if he's in high school. I wouldn't necessarily call him a "choker", but he's entered in the USA Track and Field-World Championship Trials. This is Big Boy racing, and he's fully aware of it. He's truly a diamond in the rough, and got to sip from the golden cup of athletics last year, now he's got to validate his past success and build on it. If someone doesn't clean up that "train wreck" running form, he's gonna have a very difficult time improving...and validating.
As the old saying goes, "Getting to the top of the mountain is the easiest part, staying on top is the hard part".
This. Using his age as an excuse doesn't mean anything. He's shown he's capable of running competitive times against pros, but whenever he messes up it's always "oh he's just a kid," "oh he's 17 give him time"
News flash. When you are registering to compete in an environment that competitive, nobody gives a sh*t how old you are. There's no excuse. People have good and bad races all the time regardless of their age, and that's just the way the sport works.
The point is that he is good at both. He's not "wasting time" doing anything... he's destroyed his 400M PB from back when he was still a high schooler, after three years consisting of focusing on the 800m and going through injury hell all of last year.
For him to be coming back this strong in an event he doesn't even necessarily specialize in is a hell of a good sign. Of course I wasn't expecting him to make team USA in either event but that doesn't matter.
The fact he has made it this far after being injured for so long and only adjusting to serious training for ~6 months is super encouraging. Really rooting for him
Remember when people said Noah Lyles was gonna run a crazy fast 200 because he improved his 60 and his 100? They're different events. Doesn't translate equally
lmao what
The 100 and 200 are damn near the exact same. Any good 100m runner can run a good 200m and vice versa. They are both pure sprinting events that take strong legspeed.
The last two WR holders in the 200m for the last 30 years have either held the WR in the 400m as well or the 100m. Notice the correlation?