I watched Hoey rip 20x300 in 42 in April in Flagstaff. The guy is the real deal.
It’s exactly these kinds of workouts that concern me for Hoey’s championship season results. I know there are several ways to approach 800m training, but I think he’s been doing too much specific training for too long to excel in September.
He’s the best current US 800 runner, but I have him losing to Hoppel at USAs and finishing at the back of the field in the final at Worlds.
Is it me or has posting a workout video before a big meet become a bad omen? Eric Holt did one last year before USAs and then was cooked, Kessler and Wightman did one a few weeks ago before Pre and underperformed. Many other examples. I recall that On posted last year in which all the guys were running sub-4 in practice and that largely turned out OK. But generally having to perform for a camera seems to risk peaking early.
Ingebrigtsen started vlogging again this year and look where that took him.
Is it me or has posting a workout video before a big meet become a bad omen? Eric Holt did one last year before USAs and then was cooked, Kessler and Wightman did one a few weeks ago before Pre and underperformed. Many other examples. I recall that On posted last year in which all the guys were running sub-4 in practice and that largely turned out OK. But generally having to perform for a camera seems to risk peaking early.
Lol, yep. I call it the interview effect. I don't know why but the vast majority, like 90%, of high-level track athletes i've seen feature in articles before a major competition about how they want to "be the best" and "how prepared they are" end up absolutely bombing.
Q for those who watched it- was that the lactic gel he was referring to when he said...'how it goes on this second one depends on the buffer?'
(and was that the gel he was taking in between reps?)
I'm not sure.
When he said this I assumed he meant, "how i do on this second reps depends on how well my body buffers/clears lactic acid in my body during this rest break."
But now reading your comment, I guess maybe he could of been taking some kind of bi-carb product and was saying, "how I do on this second rep depends on how well this legal drug I'm supposed to take in accelerates clearing of lactate in my body"
If that's true it makes me kind of sad for the future of this sport.
Nah it's just you. There's a lot of examples of the contrary. Track all access posted a Marco Arop workout just before he destroyed everyone in Philly, similarly with Mantz's workout before breaking the American Record, as well as Nico before his American Record in the 10k and he posted another Nico workout just before his 5k NCAA record as well as BYU before their Cross country champs victory( he even mic'd them up at the meet)He's actually been bucking on the fact that he could predict they were all going to do something crazy and he called it.
Grant Fisher too. Less than 3 weeks after this workout was posted he broke two world records:
I need more information on that that incredible track and the surrounding area.
The farm is about 10 minutes from my house. Very wealthy area of Chester County, Pa with tons of old wealth and elitist horse farms. My wife teaches in that school district. According to Zillow they bought the place for just under $3 million without the track. I can only imagine what a private 8 lane track costs!
Just the concept of three brothers doing fast and tough workouts on their beautiful track in their rural backyard (with their dad timing?) is awesome.
The fact that he died some on the last 400 and was really hurting after made it real,
Agreed. It’s basically a dream all of us have had at one point of life or another, you know, playing the if you won the lottery what are you doing? game.
I'll give a little more context to the workout, as I don't want people trying it at the wrong point of the season or too close to a race.
Workout was 3x400m with 8-10min R at 48.0-48.5. Ideally cutting down each repeat....if possible. Yes he popped a little on the last repeat, but at least we know what we need to work on to get better moving forwards. It's just a workout afterall.
This was 10 days out from the heats at USATF Champs, so the last hard workout before tapering. It was also off the back of a solid 10 days, where we needed to get some volume back in after racing in Europe. Plus we also need to keep an eye on the goal of World Champs, so you can't completely back off for Nationals (yes I know the risk is that you need to make the team first). Josh hit three fairly challening workouts with in a 6 day strectch to help prepare him for running three rounds in 4 days.
1. 600 + 6x500 1'R + 600 with both the 6's being at 800m GP and themiddle 5's at threshold
2. 1000m tempo + 3x600,400,200 1/3' R at slightly faster than mile pace + 1000m tempo
3. 3x400 at 600m pace
Nothing above is groundbreaking and I'm sure a lot of groups do something similar. My only advice is, don't be afriad to fail at a workout. As long as it's not every workout and you/your coach understand why you've failed, it's no big deal.
I'll give a little more context to the workout, as I don't want people trying it at the wrong point of the season or too close to a race.
Workout was 3x400m with 8-10min R at 48.0-48.5. Ideally cutting down each repeat....if possible. Yes he popped a little on the last repeat, but at least we know what we need to work on to get better moving forwards. It's just a workout afterall.
This was 10 days out from the heats at USATF Champs, so the last hard workout before tapering. It was also off the back of a solid 10 days, where we needed to get some volume back in after racing in Europe. Plus we also need to keep an eye on the goal of World Champs, so you can't completely back off for Nationals (yes I know the risk is that you need to make the team first). Josh hit three fairly challening workouts with in a 6 day strectch to help prepare him for running three rounds in 4 days.
1. 600 + 6x500 1'R + 600 with both the 6's being at 800m GP and themiddle 5's at threshold
2. 1000m tempo + 3x600,400,200 1/3' R at slightly faster than mile pace + 1000m tempo
3. 3x400 at 600m pace
Nothing above is groundbreaking and I'm sure a lot of groups do something similar. My only advice is, don't be afriad to fail at a workout. As long as it's not every workout and you/your coach understand why you've failed, it's no big deal.
JR
I have so many questions. Why did Josh take caffeinated maurten gels during the session, aren’t those slow release (30-45 mins)? Did he use bicarb for this session? How did you get someone who struggled to sprint to be able to run 1:13 and 47 seconds In practice in less than 2 years? Where did Josh come up with this 600 pace? Is it based on 1:40? What supplements do you recommend 800/1500 runners take? What would be a tune up version of this closer to racing? What does the week before look like? Do you think Josh has been full throttle for long enough, will that play with how worlds goes? Will he back off to prep for it??
I'll give a little more context to the workout, as I don't want people trying it at the wrong point of the season or too close to a race.
Workout was 3x400m with 8-10min R at 48.0-48.5. Ideally cutting down each repeat....if possible. Yes he popped a little on the last repeat, but at least we know what we need to work on to get better moving forwards. It's just a workout afterall.
This was 10 days out from the heats at USATF Champs, so the last hard workout before tapering. It was also off the back of a solid 10 days, where we needed to get some volume back in after racing in Europe. Plus we also need to keep an eye on the goal of World Champs, so you can't completely back off for Nationals (yes I know the risk is that you need to make the team first). Josh hit three fairly challening workouts with in a 6 day strectch to help prepare him for running three rounds in 4 days.
1. 600 + 6x500 1'R + 600 with both the 6's being at 800m GP and themiddle 5's at threshold
2. 1000m tempo + 3x600,400,200 1/3' R at slightly faster than mile pace + 1000m tempo
3. 3x400 at 600m pace
Nothing above is groundbreaking and I'm sure a lot of groups do something similar. My only advice is, don't be afriad to fail at a workout. As long as it's not every workout and you/your coach understand why you've failed, it's no big deal.
JR
I have so many questions. Why did Josh take caffeinated maurten gels during the session, aren’t those slow release (30-45 mins)? Did he use bicarb for this session? How did you get someone who struggled to sprint to be able to run 1:13 and 47 seconds In practice in less than 2 years? Where did Josh come up with this 600 pace? Is it based on 1:40? What supplements do you recommend 800/1500 runners take? What would be a tune up version of this closer to racing? What does the week before look like? Do you think Josh has been full throttle for long enough, will that play with how worlds goes? Will he back off to prep for it??
If you're going to accuse someone of doping, don't you think you should identify yourself by name as well? That only seems fair.
I need more information on that that incredible track and the surrounding area.
The farm is about 10 minutes from my house. Very wealthy area of Chester County, Pa with tons of old wealth and elitist horse farms. My wife teaches in that school district. According to Zillow they bought the place for just under $3 million without the track. I can only imagine what a private 8 lane track costs!
One thing about tracks is they're easy to find from above
I think with how the sport is you have to wonder what’s real and what’s fake. I Asked pretty straight forward questions because if it truly is real then it can give a lot of hope to people who have struggled in this sport.
As someone who’s interested in middle distance running and many regard his coach as one of the best it’s interesting to hear the things he says that’s helped make him a different runner. Am I not allowed to be genuinely curious as to how it works??
Watching the video his ground contact is really solid and he generates a lot more force than expected for someone who’s also run 3:29.
I think with how the sport is you have to wonder what’s real and what’s fake. I Asked pretty straight forward questions because if it truly is real then it can give a lot of hope to people who have struggled in this sport.
As someone who’s interested in middle distance running and many regard his coach as one of the best it’s interesting to hear the things he says that’s helped make him a different runner. Am I not allowed to be genuinely curious as to how it works??
Watching the video his ground contact is really solid and he generates a lot more force than expected for someone who’s also run 3:29.
If true, perhaps you could have typed out a less accusatory anonymous user name.