I know. I think we were always wrong about the upper body being trained equally in sprinting, because he has no upper body.
he's built like a centaur, and an Asian with very long legs! It's interesting. I really want to see if this guy runs 9.8 one day
Centaur....so funny you made that association. There was a guy in my frat back in college whose nickname was Centaur. As pledges, we had to paint larger than life-sized caricatures of all the brothers that were then posted on the walls inside the frat house, and I got to paint Centaur's. I painted his little human upper body onto a horses hind-quarters. Needless to say, it got a lot of good laughs at the party later that night.
Koki Ikeda, 20k race walk. There seem to be so many positives from race walk, I need to see what the percentages are compared to running events.
One thing that is never mentioned is that testing for certain steroids doesn’t work that well with Asians, and sometimes isn’t quite as effective with other races as well. Usually those tests work better on whites because the the tests were developed by whites using white test subjects. I remember reading about this years ago ancouple of times and then it was smothered for the usual reasons. (Here come the usual howls of raciam)
As for this kid in Japan, I doubt he’s juicing. But if he improves a bit more and starts beating American sprinters we’ll hear silly remarks from the American sprinters, like Renaldo Nehemiah and others made when Xiang was mopping the floor with everyone, “…he’s not really fast, he’s so slow his technique is letting him get over the hurdles cleaner,” and more. Like Edwin Moses coming up with every rationalization he could to pretend he could beat Warholm and Benjamin when in fact Warholm and Benjamin have much better basic speed etc. - and it’s not only due to shoes, tracks, and so on, they’re simply faster sprinters.
Rooting for the Japanese flash for the comedy gold it could provide here in the US.
You gotta believe to make it happen. The relay medal stretched their imaginative capacities to see there was nothing essential to the people or race preventing sprint excellence, just as Salazar's success with a Japanese distance talent gave more confidence in the track and now we see 1500m runners in the mid 330s as u18 from Japan as well.
I just watched again, and correct me if I’m wrong but that start looked almost perfect (not reaction times I mean his acceleration). Calling on Sprintgeezer for analysis
There’s no 60m listed on world athletics, does anyone know if he’s run any
Mid race at least 5 steps per second which is incredible turnover and few have ever achieved that. Chambers, Mitchell maybe 4.9.
So does Shimizu increase stride length over next few years- 46 strides 9.6-9.7
Based on Youtube frame by frame analysis, it's right on 300 spm (5.0) or a hair over midrace. Officially, in the 2017 100m WC final biomechanical data, Simbine and Bingtian Su were measured exactly at 5.00 Hz around the 50m mark (Coleman 4.95). I've seen elite sprinters in the 310spm range, but I'm forgetting where I kept that spreadsheet or what the names were.
Well, that's the thing: as far as I can see, he runs an absolutely typical Japanese race pattern, with typical Japanese technique, overall.
Think of all the Japanese guys other than AHSB, and maybe Kiryu--guys like Yamagata, Suetsugu, and all the guys who came before them. A huge emphasis on quickness, rather than on power to the ground, even on the start. They tend to be lighter, so their power-to-weight is still good, but they lack in later parts of races because they burn up so much energy in the first part, just like Kim Collins used to.
It's not body proportions, either. Look at Kiryu, he has more of a western style.
And it's not an "Asian thing". Look at Su, he had an exemplary western style, one of the best ever.
This guy does have better knee lift than most, but still seems to run the 100m rather than sprint it--which is why this time is amazing. Of course big power isn't to be expected at age 16. His start form is nothing particularly interesting, his drive phase is meh, his transition just isn't, because he is essentially doing the same thing from 3 steps to the 100m mark.
16 yo's still have that neurology, where yeah they can keep churning like mofo's all the way through 100m and beyond. The thing is, he just does it faster than anybody else has, ever, at that age.
I don't see much upside for him ever, unless he changes his race model, to best take advantage of appropriate form changes in the different phases.
Yeah men's sprinting MAY have gotten more popular in Japan, but it has been a going concern for a long time now. They all do the 100m the same way, which is unsurprising, given that they are a very homogenous culture. This makes me think that there is a selection effect, that is, they only pick/advance those who show promise in their standard race model from an early age.
Which is ridiculous. Look at a guy like Fearon, do you think that a guy like him would ever get a shot in Japan? What about a guy like Lemaitre, where is the 6-3 or 6-4 Japanese sprinter? And yes, there are Japanese guys that tall. You ever seen the average height of frenchmen? He didn't have mad turnover, but he has blown the doors off every Japanese male sprinter, especially in the 200, where the best Japanese guy still hasn't gone sub-20.
Yeah this time MIGHT be legit, but we'll see what happens. Boonson hasn't continued to develop. Hopefully this guy doesn't turn into another Friday
Mid race at least 5 steps per second which is incredible turnover and few have ever achieved that. Chambers, Mitchell maybe 4.9.
So does Shimizu increase stride length over next few years- 46 strides 9.6-9.7
Based on Youtube frame by frame analysis, it's right on 300 spm (5.0) or a hair over midrace. Officially, in the 2017 100m WC final biomechanical data, Simbine and Bingtian Su were measured exactly at 5.00 Hz around the 50m mark (Coleman 4.95). I've seen elite sprinters in the 310spm range, but I'm forgetting where I kept that spreadsheet or what the names were.
Collins would probably be one of those guys, along with other Japanese sprinters.
And yes the poster who mentioned Combest--this guy is IMO better than Combest. Better hip angle, better knee lift, better take-off's in the last 25m of the race. I think Combest would blow him away to 50m, though.
These guys who are amazing to 50m, PED's can make a huge difference to them. Just ask Charlie Francis
Well, that's the thing: as far as I can see, he runs an absolutely typical Japanese race pattern, with typical Japanese technique, overall.
Think of all the Japanese guys other than AHSB, and maybe Kiryu--guys like Yamagata, Suetsugu, and all the guys who came before them. A huge emphasis on quickness, rather than on power to the ground, even on the start. They tend to be lighter, so their power-to-weight is still good, but they lack in later parts of races because they burn up so much energy in the first part, just like Kim Collins used to.
It's not body proportions, either. Look at Kiryu, he has more of a western style.
And it's not an "Asian thing". Look at Su, he had an exemplary western style, one of the best ever.
This guy does have better knee lift than most, but still seems to run the 100m rather than sprint it--which is why this time is amazing. Of course big power isn't to be expected at age 16. His start form is nothing particularly interesting, his drive phase is meh, his transition just isn't, because he is essentially doing the same thing from 3 steps to the 100m mark.
16 yo's still have that neurology, where yeah they can keep churning like mofo's all the way through 100m and beyond. The thing is, he just does it faster than anybody else has, ever, at that age.
I don't see much upside for him ever, unless he changes his race model, to best take advantage of appropriate form changes in the different phases.
Yeah men's sprinting MAY have gotten more popular in Japan, but it has been a going concern for a long time now. They all do the 100m the same way, which is unsurprising, given that they are a very homogenous culture. This makes me think that there is a selection effect, that is, they only pick/advance those who show promise in their standard race model from an early age.
Which is ridiculous. Look at a guy like Fearon, do you think that a guy like him would ever get a shot in Japan? What about a guy like Lemaitre, where is the 6-3 or 6-4 Japanese sprinter? And yes, there are Japanese guys that tall. You ever seen the average height of frenchmen? He didn't have mad turnover, but he has blown the doors off every Japanese male sprinter, especially in the 200, where the best Japanese guy still hasn't gone sub-20.
Yeah this time MIGHT be legit, but we'll see what happens. Boonson hasn't continued to develop. Hopefully this guy doesn't turn into another Friday
Thank you for the analysis! That may actually have been what I was noticing, that he was basically running the same from 3 steps in.
I’d really like to see more Japanese/Asian sprinters under American coaches, a la Su and Huntington. I think you’re right about power, that seemed to be Su’s primary issue prior to Randy working with him. or maybe just a culture change. I would love to see a typical Japanese sprinting program. Huntington said the issues he saw in Korea and China were an overemphasis on work volume and monotonous training (long jumpers would do almost nothing but long jump).
Well, that's the thing: as far as I can see, he runs an absolutely typical Japanese race pattern, with typical Japanese technique, overall.
Think of all the Japanese guys other than AHSB, and maybe Kiryu--guys like Yamagata, Suetsugu, and all the guys who came before them. A huge emphasis on quickness, rather than on power to the ground, even on the start. They tend to be lighter, so their power-to-weight is still good, but they lack in later parts of races because they burn up so much energy in the first part, just like Kim Collins used to.
It's not body proportions, either. Look at Kiryu, he has more of a western style.
And it's not an "Asian thing". Look at Su, he had an exemplary western style, one of the best ever.
This guy does have better knee lift than most, but still seems to run the 100m rather than sprint it--which is why this time is amazing. Of course big power isn't to be expected at age 16. His start form is nothing particularly interesting, his drive phase is meh, his transition just isn't, because he is essentially doing the same thing from 3 steps to the 100m mark.
16 yo's still have that neurology, where yeah they can keep churning like mofo's all the way through 100m and beyond. The thing is, he just does it faster than anybody else has, ever, at that age.
I don't see much upside for him ever, unless he changes his race model, to best take advantage of appropriate form changes in the different phases.
Yeah men's sprinting MAY have gotten more popular in Japan, but it has been a going concern for a long time now. They all do the 100m the same way, which is unsurprising, given that they are a very homogenous culture. This makes me think that there is a selection effect, that is, they only pick/advance those who show promise in their standard race model from an early age.
Which is ridiculous. Look at a guy like Fearon, do you think that a guy like him would ever get a shot in Japan? What about a guy like Lemaitre, where is the 6-3 or 6-4 Japanese sprinter? And yes, there are Japanese guys that tall. You ever seen the average height of frenchmen? He didn't have mad turnover, but he has blown the doors off every Japanese male sprinter, especially in the 200, where the best Japanese guy still hasn't gone sub-20.
Yeah this time MIGHT be legit, but we'll see what happens. Boonson hasn't continued to develop. Hopefully this guy doesn't turn into another Friday
I suspect it was actually a wind assisted run. It would be interesting to see how quick he is over 60 meters indoors.
Mid race at least 5 steps per second which is incredible turnover and few have ever achieved that. Chambers, Mitchell maybe 4.9.
So does Shimizu increase stride length over next few years- 46 strides 9.6-9.7
That is not how sprinting works. A 100m runner gets up to 5 steps per second because that's how fast their feet have to cycle to hit the ground at 11m/s or faster.
More or less the same as a wheel increasing RPMs to roll faster.
Stride length is around or slightly more than 2 meters, just like slower paces. If you could run 11 m/s with a 3 steps per second cadence, you'd have enormous "strides" but that comes from the speed, not from jumping forward. And of course noone can do that because feet moving 11m/s go around way more than 3 times per second.
And they say the Japanese and highschoolers don't use pharmaceutical products.
Japanese aren't all clean (Olympic silver medalist just got banned) but are demonstrably much more clean than most countries in the world
Also, there has been a huge culture shift in Japan towards track and field over the last decade, following the relay medal in Rio, Olympics in Tokyo, and now world championships in a few months. More popularity = more turnout = more talent.
If he moves to Florida and joins Dennis Mitchell's group he's a doper.