For reference, Webb came in at 4843. El G unfortunately never ran a 10k. Points systems are far from perfect, but this is an interesting list. I’d say Fisher is in heady territory. Also, Grok is far from perfect and you have to double check each data point, eg it confused the Daniel Komens…
I know that it's different eras with supershoes and competition and lights and bicarb and stuff, but those PR's are crazy versatile.
For reference, some of the greats have run:
Bekele - 3:32 (3:49 mile), 7:25, 12:37, 26:17
Kipchoge - 3:33 (3:50 mile), 7:27, 12:55, 26:49
El G - 3:26 (3:43 mile), 7:23, 12:50, N/A
Farah - 3:28 (3:45 mile), 7:32, 12:53, 26:46
Discus
jakob:
mile - 3:43
3000m - 7:17
5000m - incoming world record sub 12:30
10,000m - incoming world record sub 26:00
If you're going to give Jakob credit for times he hasn't run, do it for Grant too. Make sure to give Grant a half-marathon or marathon time he hasn't run anywhere near, either, to simulate what you're doing for Jakob's 10,000
I watched the race on youtube and I was impressed at how efficient Fisher's style is, even in comparison to some other world class athletes, Olly Hoare, for example, - Fisher runs in a very compact and efficient way with absolutely no wasted movement and everything working to preserve economy of gesture.
From start to finish in a race, Fisher's form never seems to disintegrate and he looks the same. That's a very advantageous quality to have in a middle distance and distance runner and I was thinking he could even possibly one day move up to the marathon and become very good at that distance. Whether he does so is a different matter.
Lastly, which was interesting to note that I had never noticed how short Fisher looks but this became evident when he was running with other middle distance runners who seem to be much taller and somewhat heavier than him.
If you're going to give Jakob credit for times he hasn't run, do it for Grant too. Make sure to give Grant a half-marathon or marathon time he hasn't run anywhere near, either, to simulate what you're doing for Jakob's 10,000
big J ran a 12:48 5000m when he was 20, in a race, not a time trial.
that was 4 years ago.
imagine what he does in a time trial in peak world record shape.
That said, IMO Fisher is the best American distance runner of all time.
Fisher isn't even ahead of Rupp.
Rupp ran 3:50 indoors, 7:30, 12:58, 26:44, 59:47, and 2:06. And a 1:49 in the 800.
Rupp did it without the help of super-shoes and bicarb. And Rupp rarely chased records in time trials like Fisher does.
Why in the world would you think that Rupp didn't use bicarb? The use of this substance as a legal PED has been widespread for 4 decades. Do you honestly think Salazar wasn't aware of it, especially for mid-d?
He needs to lower that 5000m but 1500m- 2 Miles he is insane. That kind of range hasn’t been seen since Aouita but his records were weak.
Downvote all you want, but Jakob easily has the best quality of times today. Fisher’s range could have been matched by many other runners, Jakob’s PBs are much harder.
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No hate but is it really that shocking for a 26 minute 10k runner to be able to break 3:50 in the mile? I mean Nico Young has almost done so and he barely runs the event. Not sure if "range" is the right term here
I mean, Nico Young is a 12:45 guy and the only American to ever win a competitive DL 5k (i love Ben True but he was no Nico Young). The truth is that Nico Young has incredible range too, and there's a good chance he has a better career than Grant by the time he retires.
this so called great range is an illusion, kind of, you need that range to get 5k podium. the aerobic / speed
ie. close in 52 seconds
and 5 k guys can run 10k unless they are true high octane with a 48 flat 400m in them.. which nobody has at the moment
and the intermediate distance "great range" 2 3K follows ...
the top 5 5k guys in the world all have same range or very similar
in a monaco you will have fisher run a second or so faster than pre in the right race,
or with a tad more specific work, that is running 55 and 56 seconds pace.
you could see 346 and that would match komen, who wasn't high octane 400m
that's pretty good, but 3:48 is not equivalent to sub 3:30, and there is no way Fisher could ever run a sub 1:45 800.
So he won't surpass undisputed 800+ range GOAT Augustine Choge. The only man ever to break all the big benchmarks from
sub 1:45 sub 3:30 sub 7:30 sub 12:55 sub 60
He unfortunately left sub 27 out of there, moving right up to the sub 60s. He doesn't care about padding his stats I guess. But noone else has come close to this, there's just no disputing it.
Even a lot of the best mile specialists would struggle to hit 1:44, and have no prayer of sub 60.
All I can say is with that 3:48 mile I think he’s the clear favorite for the 10000. He’s showed he’s still super strong this winter and his speed is better than ever