Azeddine Habz 3:27.49 1500 at age 31!!!

Au contraire mon frere. It is alive and ticking.

How is it a disgrace? Talent is a joy to behold. Let us be grateful we can witness this.

Let's see what Habz does once doping checks are stringent. Odds he doesn't even make the 1,500 final at Worlds? He's more blatantly doping than Katir or Kiprop at this point. Might be the most blatant middle distance doper in the sport.

One big asterisk here, but this Paris DL track was insanely fast each of the last two years as well. It's the newer, better Monaco. It's either short or so fricking bouncy that none of the times are real. That said, Habz shouldn't be winning Diamond League races. Dude isn't that good. Something is off.

Did anyone see 7:17? I thought that was pretty good, but I guess I am in the minority here.

Yomif Kejelcha the worst last lap runner of all time? It's probably still Stewy McSweyn.

Kejelcha is a heckuva runner with a poor kick. He also stupidly always goes to the front but is never able to gap the field like he would need to. He'll always be a bridesmaid but never a bridge in the big races.

It's just not believable. Like Salvitore said, this guy was never in contention in World Finals and in previous year time trials he was always 3:30-3:31. To run a 3:27 mid like this? With a fast close? Oozing EPO, no doubt about that. Anybody trying to rationalize these results is a CERTIFIED 🤡. It started with Nuguse in 2023 when he pulled that 3:43 high out of nowhere. No we are seeing all these mid pack runners turn into close WR machines. It's a joke.

See, you're doing it again. Mills was a European Junior 800m champion and then he had 2 years of career threatening injury. Then he battled back and, perhaps because the injuries took some of his raw speed away or ability to do such hard speed sessions, he discovered that the 1500m was his best event (and more recently the 5000m).

Why do you keep comparing his 800m pb with these guys from countries with hundreds of doping busts to 'show' they are no more likely to be doping than him?

All this proves is that Lagat is even more likely of doping.

closed in a 53.87

super impressive but based off of his age and progression this is one of the most suspicious performances right now

The only thing getting me through is I really don’t think Nico Young is doping, so if he can be as good as he is clean, other people should too. 3:27 after never running 3:28 before is insane at age 31. On the flip side, Habz has never been close to this level. If he was going to dope, why would he start at age 31, the year AFTER his home Olympics?

I’ll also fall back on old reliable: if two British guys could run 1:41-42/3:29 back in the 80s clean, surely today, with all the advantages in training and technology, and like 6x the population (in the US), we should be expecting several guys just from the US to be under 3:30.

Well you continually selectively ignore facts or associations. Festus Lagat is Kenyan, but he's long-trained in the US, and now counts Neil Gourley as one of his top training partners amongst others. Additionally, Festus Lagat was a 1:44-low guy before the bicarb era, which is better than Mills could ever do. He similarly seems to have found both his event and training setup (he trained with UA Baltimore previously).

If you'd ever watched Festus Lagat compete in past 1500m in the US (which I suspect you have not), he always closed well and was competitive in races in the 3:32-3:35 range. A strung-out DL race is another scenario and he took advantage. The time is a little faster than I'd expect, but he didn't come out of nowhere, as finishing 4th at Kenyan 800m trials and putting together 1:44.1 and 3:32 PBs in mostly US races isn't nothing.

I don't think Nico is doping either currently. However, that 12:45 is within his ability level. This level shown today by Habz and the runners behind him was several times greater.

I don't think Coe was clean.

I just saw another thing that blew my mind - last season at the European champs, just over 12 months ago, he was 7th in that final. The Euros. 7th.

When you now look at the sub 3.28.0 club, not one of them doesn't have some kind of major championship hardware. There are 5 Olympic gold medals and 12 World championships between them (there were 9 of them before today) and a stack of podium placings. If this guy goes to Tokyo and can't even make the top 5 (which I think is an incredibly fair compromise which accounts for the general improvement across the board we have seen in the last 5 years), then I just don't know what we are doing in this sport anymore.

Nico on his best day can run really fast in the 1500. You say "the runners behind him," but really only three guys were really that far up there, and we're having to reassess a 3:28.36 when it's closer to Festus Lagat than Azeddine Habz.

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It's hilarious watching Gault and Weldon trying to justify these 1500m results.
Habz is the 6th FASTEST ever at this distance
3:26 Hicham El Guerrouj - Olympic Champion
3:26.34 Bernard Lagat - World Champion and challenged Hicham
3:26.69 Asbel Kiprop - Olympic Champion, busted for doping
3:26.73 Jakob Ingebrigtsen - Olympic Champion
3:27.34 Nourredine Morceli - Olympic Champion
3:27.49 Azeddine Habz - .........Are you kidding me
Plus that other young kenyan who ran 3:27.72
No way this is legit.

Not saying those guys above him aren't doping but come on lol.

??? What. Your post makes no sense. Make an argument next post.

Nick Willis says Jakob probably won't run the 1500m at Worlds lol.