I’ll be very interested to see if Lutkenhaus attempts a 3k or 2 mile while in HS. Elite xc racing may be beyond his purview, but if he’s running close to 4:00 as a sophomore, I’d imagine an 8:30-8:45 2 mile would be achievable. And maybe he’s running 1:44 at that point :)
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westsouthrunner wrote:
xy.. wrote:
Hedengren is the GOAT at 4:23(mostly solo)/9:17(solo in mediocre conditions)/14:57
No one else is close.
Mary Cain is still close or arguably even better accounting for shoes, bicarb
Does Hedengren use bicarb?
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moist wrote:
westsouthrunner wrote:
Mary Cain is still close or arguably even better accounting for shoes, bicarb
Does Hedengren use bicarb?
I asked her that at Arcadia and she said no. I don't know if she has changed her mind and started using bicarb between Arcadia and now.
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Who is the best wrote:
moist wrote:
Does Hedengren use bicarb?
I asked her that at Arcadia and she said no. I don't know if she has changed her mind and started using bicarb between Arcadia and now.
Confirmed she uses it. Next interview just ask her, she is super open about training, etc., with videos, shorts, etc., and Nike + Maurten partnership.
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Troof wrote:
I’ll be very interested to see if Lutkenhaus attempts a 3k or 2 mile while in HS. Elite xc racing may be beyond his purview, but if he’s running close to 4:00 as a sophomore, I’d imagine an 8:30-8:45 2 mile would be achievable. And maybe he’s running 1:44 at that point :)
I created a thread saying he would go split 45 and run sub 9 in HS and like half the letsrun crowd took that as us trying to make him a 3200m runner.
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duck sauce wrote:
and feating a future marathon american record holder
if you mean Ryan Hall, he has never held the AR.10 -
Since the title says "ANY high schooler" one might look at Jacob and Cameron.
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Webb ran a 1:47 and won the indoor 2 mile in sub 8:50, solo on a wooden banked track. So that’s not correct. Also Honbs Kessler ran 2 sub 1:50s on the same day in high school and broke 8:40 outdoors. Not many other examples out there
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ringo-starr wrote:
duck sauce wrote:
and feating a future marathon american record holder
if you mean Ryan Hall, he has never held the AR.I recognize Ryan Hall's 2:04:58 as the American Record.
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Corrections wrote:
Webb ran a 1:47 and won the indoor 2 mile in sub 8:50, solo on a wooden banked track. So that’s not correct. Also Honbs Kessler ran 2 sub 1:50s on the same day in high school and broke 8:40 outdoors. Not many other examples out there
When was this?
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matt_c wrote:
With an 800m PR of 1:46.63, mile PR of 8:56.66, and 3200m PR of 8:38, I am having a hard time trying to see if there is any boy OR girl who has better range than Powell. Also, he also holds the 3 mile XC record.
At first, I thought Alan Webb but Webb has a slower 800m and never ran a 3200m so idk. Then I thought Colin Sahlman but Powell has a 2 second faster 800m PR and the same mile time and IMO a more impressive Arcadia 3200m performance (slower but with a faster 2nd mile). On the girls side, I thought perhaps Jane Hedengren might have better range, but her 800m PR of 2:05.96 isn't nearly as impressive as her (ELITE) mile and 2 mile times.
ME
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Corrections wrote:
Webb ran a 1:47 and won the indoor 2 mile in sub 8:50, solo on a wooden banked track. So that’s not correct. Also Honbs Kessler ran 2 sub 1:50s on the same day in high school and broke 8:40 outdoors. Not many other examples out there
So, I think that means Owen Powell is the best.
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dkls wrote:
ringo-starr wrote:
if you mean Ryan Hall, he has never held the AR.I recognize Ryan Hall's 2:04:58 as the American Record.
Yeah and Steve Scott is the mile record holder with his 3:31…
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Dirtrunner wrote:
Webb is the right answer. 47 split in a 4x400, 1:47 800m. 8:45 2-mile and runner up at footlocker.
Jim ryun also had the potential for this title even tho his HS results don't indicate it. Remember he ran 1:44 880y and 8:25 2mile as a college freshman
It's aways best to keep Jim Ryun and Gerry Lindgren out of these discussions because they are in a protected class. Jim & Gerry competed over a half century ago primarily on dirt/cinder tracks and in the running gear of that time. A current day H.S. athlete would literally have to be at the level of Grant Fischer, Cole Hocker and Bryce Hoppel to make a fair comparison. Btw, Ryun ran a 21.7 (220y) at age 16 on a dirt track. There is no doubt he could have run a very fast 400/800 PR in H.S.; however, he was absolutely focused on breaking the world record in the mile and whenever he ran in any other event it was part of training.
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mictlantecuhtli wrote:
Corrections wrote:
Webb ran a 1:47 and won the indoor 2 mile in sub 8:50, solo on a wooden banked track. So that’s not correct. Also Honbs Kessler ran 2 sub 1:50s on the same day in high school and broke 8:40 outdoors. Not many other examples out there
When was this?
same day in high school
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matt_c wrote:
With an 800m PR of 1:46.63, mile PR of 8:56.66, and 3200m PR of 8:38, I am having a hard time trying to see if there is any boy OR girl who has better range than Powell. Also, he also holds the 3 mile XC record.
At first, I thought Alan Webb but Webb has a slower 800m and never ran a 3200m so idk. Then I thought Colin Sahlman but Powell has a 2 second faster 800m PR and the same mile time and IMO a more impressive Arcadia 3200m performance (slower but with a faster 2nd mile). On the girls side, I thought perhaps Jane Hedengren might have better range, but her 800m PR of 2:05.96 isn't nearly as impressive as her (ELITE) mile and 2 mile times.
Reminds me of Sam Worley, class of 2017. Dude had crazy range even though he didn't enjoy doing the longer stuff. 1:48, 4:00, 8:51 and 2nd at NXN.
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I actually raced Rodney Giles in 1984. He ran 4:08 in the HS mile that year.
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mictlantecuhtli wrote:
Rodney Giles:
400: 47.8
4x800 relay split: 1:46.7 relay split
Mile: 4:17.8
XC 2x Maryland XC state champ
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Aden Bandukwala:
FAT 4x400 split: 46.4
800: 1:51.1 with splits of 57.0/54.1
1600: 4:06.6
3200: 9:07
XC: 2x Illinois XC champion + 14:13 3-miles
I raced Rodney Giles in 1984, he ran 4:08 in the Penn Relays HS mile that year.
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maxcrispi wrote:
mictlantecuhtli wrote:
Rodney Giles:
400: 47.8
4x800 relay split: 1:46.7 relay split
Mile: 4:17.8
XC 2x Maryland XC state champ
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Aden Bandukwala:
FAT 4x400 split: 46.4
800: 1:51.1 with splits of 57.0/54.1
1600: 4:06.6
3200: 9:07
XC: 2x Illinois XC champion + 14:13 3-miles
I raced Rodney Giles in 1984, he ran 4:08 in the Penn Relays HS mile that year.
Fun fact Rodney chose to run in the slow heat in the 1600 at the MD state meet in 1984 because he didn't want to race Chris Herdt. Chris ended up wining is 4:10.
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