Random 3:35 with a 52 last lap at an intersquad by Brazier is VERY different from organized attempts at a PR against a world class field from Arop
Brazier also showed obvious potential in the 1500 from HS
Donny's 'random 3:35' with a killer last lap had LetsRun saying he was a 3:31 guy. So he then jumped in a competitive, evenly paced race and ran a 3:37, 4 seconds back from the winner.
You understand that a 3:35 with a 52 last isn't anywhere close to the optimal way to run a 1500 pr, right?
Donny's 'random 3:35' with a killer last lap had LetsRun saying he was a 3:31 guy. So he then jumped in a competitive, evenly paced race and ran a 3:37, 4 seconds back from the winner.
You understand that a 3:35 with a 52 last isn't anywhere close to the optimal way to run a 1500 pr, right?
Donny's 'random 3:35' with a killer last lap had LetsRun saying he was a 3:31 guy. So he then jumped in a competitive, evenly paced race and ran a 3:37, four seconds back from the winner.
You understand that a 3:35 with a 52 last isn't anywhere close to the optimal way to run a 1500 pr, right?
He's better at the 1500 than he is at the 400. He has run 46.10 over 400. Watching him run at world relays last year you could see that he doesn't have the speed to compete with 44 second guys. He has shown that he could probably run 3:33 right now over 1500 with better pacing and fresh legs. I would like to see him take a stab at Sullivan's Canadian record of 3:31.71, but I don't know if he'll get in the right kind of race for that. With three 1:41s last year, I suspect he'll be putting all his focus on the 800 as the summer heats up.
by precedent he can however hit the podium 3rd in a one off decent field, or a win in a weaker field, beat a name or two in their bad day at the office
look at every 45 to 46 guy in the 8 in history
you have coe but nobody else doing in history doing 1500 really top
and coe was not built like a brickshthouse, had a cross country background
in support you had ivo van damme with slver in OG and not peak with 46 400m i think
i suppose snell with his 48 flat 400 on dirt non specialize, is really 46 high no a days so heavy guys, or this one of one, can hit the top in 1500
out of the blue, 800 specialists, late in carear, just aren't there historically speaking
Donny's 'random 3:35' with a killer last lap had LetsRun saying he was a 3:31 guy. So he then jumped in a competitive, evenly paced race and ran a 3:37, 4 seconds back from the winner.
Those races were nearly 10 months apart; he was in great form in summer of 2020, and never ran to his 2019/2020 standard outdoors in 2021. The 3:37 you refer to was his outdoor opener in April of 2021, and it doesn’t prove he couldn’t have run faster than 3:35 at his best.
I’m convinced that everyone saying he’s more likely to run 43/44 is basing it purely on the fact that he’s 6’4”, muscular and black. Sure, he’s more likely to run 44.9 than 3:26, but his results, training and racing habits really don’t indicate he’s more 4/8 than 8/15.
He is like Brazier in that as an extremely good pure 800 runner, he invites speculation as to what he could do at either 400 or 800. The answers are probably 44.8-45.5 or 3:30-3:33, or good, but nothing like 1:41.20 good.
I’m convinced that everyone saying he’s more likely to run 43/44 is basing it purely on the fact that he’s 6’4”, muscular and black. Sure, he’s more likely to run 44.9 than 3:26, but his results, training and racing habits really don’t indicate he’s more 4/8 than 8/15.
He is like Brazier in that as an extremely good pure 800 runner, he invites speculation as to what he could do at either 400 or 800. The answers are probably 44.8-45.5 or 3:30-3:33, or good, but nothing like 1:41.20 good.
This is a fun discussion, but yeah, at the championship level, he’s a pure 800 guy. As soon as a Jakob or Danny Mills or a similar guy takes it from the gun he’s toast. He wouldn’t have been in the picture on the final straightaway in Paris. Wanyonyi would be interesting to see if he switched focus. Arop is tailor made for the 800.
Donny's 'random 3:35' with a killer last lap had LetsRun saying he was a 3:31 guy. So he then jumped in a competitive, evenly paced race and ran a 3:37, 4 seconds back from the winner.
Those races were nearly 10 months apart; he was in great form in summer of 2020, and never ran to his 2019/2020 standard outdoors in 2021. The 3:37 you refer to was his outdoor opener in April of 2021, and it doesn’t prove he couldn’t have run faster than 3:35 at his best.