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Marco Arop BOSSES Hoey, Kessler, et. al & then says: "Marco Arop: "I want to not just win races, I want to DOMINATE them."
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THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Yes, fair. Wanyonyi I think wasn’t 800-sharp yet but obviously Arop ran smart to block his attempted passes. Haingura is good but I think that race was maybe more about the wind and Arop going for broke in the 1500 while Haingura ran a more conservative race. Agree on Hoey but he’s in the second tier for me with Burgin, Crestan, et al. The top group at their will be harder for Arop to dominates the races from gun to tape like he has mostly.
He doesn’t have to dominate from gun to tape at World’s (or the DL meets) because Wanyonyi likes to front run like he did at the Olympics. Arop can sit and use a strong last 300 to try and win. It’ll be close again though
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ndxc02 wrote:
He doesn’t have to dominate from gun to tape at World’s (or the DL meets) because Wanyonyi likes to front run like he did at the Olympics. Arop can sit and use a strong last 300 to try and win. It’ll be close again though
Agreed. We’ll see if Wanyonyi follows the same playbook. He can win running from the pack as well. It’s possible a new frontrunner will emerge. Right now, most of the heavy hitters aren’t interested in leading outside of Wanyonyi/Arop. Perhaps a fit Burgin/Hoey/Miller makes a leap and could change the calculus.
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Coevett wrote:
GBohannon wrote:
I’m guessing that some posters view the progression as “evidence” of doping. This kind of speculation is a rite of passage for gold medal contenders around here.
For reference:
2018 - 1:45.25
2019 - 1:44.25
2020 - 1:44.14
2021 - 1:43.26
2022 - 1:43.38
2023 - 1:42.85
2024 - 1:41.20
A couple of fun side notes - 1) the 2018 time came in a loaded NCAA Final with Isaiah Harris winning and then Arop, Saruni, Hoppel, Devin Dixon, and Jonah Koech rounding out the top six. 2) Of the seven seasonal best times listed, only one came in a winning performance (2019).
I don't know if he's doping - I hope not - but talk of sub 1:40 is certainly insane, and his progression does need explaining a little bit. I mean, presumably he was already wearing super shoes in 2021 or perhaps 2020. The thing is it is odd that NOBODY here mentions Arop in doping discussions, even to the extent of the mods deleting posts and threads that do bring up his progression.
So age 19- 21 he went from 1:45.25 to 1:44.14
Age 22 to 24 he went from 1:43.26 to 1:42.85
Age 24 to 25 he went from 1:42.85 to 1:41.20 and now people say he can run under 1:40 at age 26 or 27?
If it does happen, then he is the most obvious doper of all time, and if he isn't, it's because he is Canadian and has a disarming grin.
Another thing is he is absolutely huge. If he wasn't a runner, I'm sure he could switch to at least a light-heavyweight boxer. Yet he is 'gaining confidence in the 1500m'.
At the start of the EPO era, all of a sudden you had 1500m men able to run world beating 5000m times, when just a decade before the likes of even Walker and Ovett had struggled to a greater or lesser extent.
Now all of a sudden 800m guys, even stocky or well-built ones, are able to run world class 1500m times. Perhaps something similar is happening?
You missed his first year of running when he went from 2:06 to 1:47. The man is made for this event, and he's been well coached since Day 1. He doesn't need any artificial help.
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Rojo wrote:
Marco Arop BOSSES Hoey, Kessler, et. al & then says: "Marco Arop: "I want to not just win races, I want to DOMINATE them."So Marco is channelling the Hulk? But then switches back to normal speech mid-sentence?
James Harbeck wrote:
classic Hulkspeak is built on the "HULK SMASH" model: stripping away conjugations, auxiliary verbs, forms of the verb be, articles (the and a), and similar functional accessories, and even taking away the self-aware, human pronoun I and using the name, HULK, instead.20 -
wow. he does 6x1k with short rest at threshold. threshold wins again.
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Coevett wrote:
Now all of a sudden 800m guys, even stocky or well-built ones, are able to run world class 1500m times. Perhaps something similar is happening?
Bicarb. Bicarb. Bicarb.
A nutritional aid that helps acid buffering, and has been estimated to provide about 1.0 seconds of benefit in the 800, perhaps 2.0s in the 1500/mile.
Probably especially helpful for a big fast-twitch heavy guy who surely produced a lot of lactate and acid when running at speed.
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