I went from working outside every day to working inside everyday and my skin looks so much better. I was getting wrinkly fast, and I was running high mileage and drinking a lot. I don't think the damage is reversible but I already look so much better after a year.
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Long PLTR wrote:
Short PLTR wrote:
There's the whole skin cancer thing.
That doesn't mean you should aim for zero sun exposure. You should try to get regular sun exposure, just not too much at once. You don't need to worry about being in the sun for your hour run every day, for example; maybe wear sun screen if it's intense .
Just how much for seniors? 🤔 5, 10, 15 minutes? And how often?
65 yr old here asking for another senior.
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Solver of problems wrote:
Here's my take wrote:
Aren't the dermatologists telling us so? 🤔
I knew it. Total scam from Big Dermatology. Follow the money, if you can see it past the 70 SPF block.
^This. Like many things in medicine that are sensationalized as an “epidemic” the real issue with skin cancer—melanoma specifically—is simply a change in the histological definition of melanoma. This is driven by greedy dermatologists. See here…
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsb2019760
Dermatologists, of course, hate this article.
The only bigger scam then so-called “mole checks” in dermatology is Mohs surgery. Costs waaaayyyy more than having a plastic surgeon and a surgical pathologist working together to get negative margins and the person doing the procedure is neither a legit surgeon or legit pathologist. Total scam with way worse cosmetic outcomes—especially when the lesion is located on a sensitive area like the face.
Of course, Mohs should never be done on a pigmented lesion but don’t tell greedy derms that as they just published a garbage article on Mohs for melanomas of the hand in one of their garbage journals.
For more about the greed and unethical nature of American dermatologists just google articles about the role of private equity in dermatology which were recently published in the Atlantic and Time. Truly one of the most corrupt medical specialties and it’s definitely populated by selfish, self centered, arrogant docs.
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sun crushes skjn wrote:
I went from working outside every day to working inside everyday and my skin looks so much better. I was getting wrinkly fast, and I was running high mileage and drinking a lot. I don't think the damage is reversible but I already look so much better after a year.
There are some things you can do like wearing retinol at night & always quality sunscreen during the day and getting into a routine with oil cleanser and serum and moisturizer
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Stu Redman wrote:
Solver of problems wrote:
I knew it. Total scam from Big Dermatology. Follow the money, if you can see it past the 70 SPF block.
^This. Like many things in medicine that are sensationalized as an “epidemic” the real issue with skin cancer—melanoma specifically—is simply a change in the histological definition of melanoma. This is driven by greedy dermatologists. See here…
Dermatologists, of course, hate this article.
The only bigger scam then so-called “mole checks” in dermatology is Mohs surgery. Costs waaaayyyy more than having a plastic surgeon and a surgical pathologist working together to get negative margins and the person doing the procedure is neither a legit surgeon or legit pathologist. Total scam with way worse cosmetic outcomes—especially when the lesion is located on a sensitive area like the face.
Of course, Mohs should never be done on a pigmented lesion but don’t tell greedy derms that as they just published a garbage article on Mohs for melanomas of the hand in one of their garbage journals.
For more about the greed and unethical nature of American dermatologists just google articles about the role of private equity in dermatology which were recently published in the Atlantic and Time. Truly one of the most corrupt medical specialties and it’s definitely populated by selfish, self centered, arrogant docs.
The dermatologists look great and the Trump supporters look like they’ve been roasted
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I have never trusted sunscreen. I have however been guilty a few times in April at the first track meet when I may burn. People should be encouraged to be in the sun for at least a short time everyday.
Why such an increase in skin cancer? Is it the sun or the increase of sunscreen exposure?
Just look at all the nonfood poisons in our food. These are the same people telling you to use sunscreen. I don't trust them. I have never advised anyone not to.
Search instead for When did people start using sunscreen and show me a graph of increase in skin cancer cases
AI Overview
AI OverviewEarly Sunscreen Use:
Modern sunscreen development began in the late 1930s with chemical formulations that could absorb UVB radiation.
By the 1970s and 1980s, sunscreens with higher SPF (Sun Protection Factor) became more widely available and used.
2. Rise in Skin Cancer Cases:
Despite the increasing use of sunscreens, melanoma rates have continued to rise since the 1970s.
Melanoma rates in the U.S., for example, have tripled since the 1970s, according to Undark Magazine.
In the UK, the probability of getting skin cancer has almost tripled since the 1990s for people aged 55 and older.69 -
Sun damage and cancer are both promoted by high carbohydrates, seed oils and plant toxins in the modern diet. When I was plant based I burned easily, accumulated moles and sun damage, despite religious application of sunscreen. Now, as a carnivore pushing 70, I never wear sunscreen, seek full sun exposure, never burn and my previous sun damage is healing. Most people mistake me for 50 at most despite my outdoor lifestyle.
Sun exposure is so critical to human health that our European (and Asian high latitude) ancestors LOST SHIELDING MELANIN over the course of late paleocene evolution, while of course eating 90% animals and fish for critical cholesterol and essential fatty acids missing in our modern plant based diets.613 -
xy.. wrote:
Sun damage and cancer are both promoted by high carbohydrates, seed oils and plant toxins in the modern diet. When I was plant based I burned easily, accumulated moles and sun damage, despite religious application of sunscreen. Now, as a carnivore pushing 70, I never wear sunscreen, seek full sun exposure, never burn and my previous sun damage is healing. Most people mistake me for 50 at most despite my outdoor lifestyle.
Sun exposure is so critical to human health that our European (and Asian high latitude) ancestors LOST SHIELDING MELANIN over the course of late paleocene evolution, while of course eating 90% animals and fish for critical cholesterol and essential fatty acids missing in our modern plant based diets.
You sound like that poster "ruun" - a senior who brags about how youthful he looks.
Do you have any photos to show?
Any senior can come on this site & say they look 40, 30 or even 20. Without proof, there's no way of knowing if it's true or not. 😉
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Most people wear a straw hat out? Incredible
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xy.. wrote:
Sun damage and cancer are both promoted by high carbohydrates, seed oils and plant toxins in the modern diet.
Do you have any evidence for this bold claim?
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Long PLTR wrote:
I live in a leftie / yuppie city and I can tell you that people are absolutely paranoid of the sun. If it's a nice day out, most people will be wearing long sleeves, gloves and a straw hat.
Aleksa Risdic wrote:
In southern Sweden, there was a 2X increased risk of death among those who avoided sun exposure compared with the highest sun exposure group [3].Nonsmokers who avoided sun exposure had a life expectancy similar to smokers in the highest sun exposure group, indicating that avoidance of sun exposure is a risk factor as significant as smoking. Compared to the highest sun exposure group, life expectancy of avoiders of sun exposure was reduced by 0.6-2.1 years [4].
Proven benefits of sun exposure: 🌞
1) Increase Vitamin D levels
2) Sets Circadian Rhythm
3) May Protect Against Cancer
4) Strengthens the Bones
5) Improves Mood and Mental Health
6) Supports Longevity
7) Cancer Protection
8) Supports Heart Health
9) Improves Brain Function
10) Protect Against Brain Disorders
11) Improves Dental Health
12) Helps Prevent Diabetes
13) Increases Wakefulness
14) Natural Painkiller
15) Balances the Immune System
It’s more about being smart with your sun exposure. Staying out in the sun for lengthy periods during the peak of the day is just plain dumb. That’s when you can get real skin damage and up your chances of skin cancer. Timing the majority of your daily sun exposure to earlier in the morning or late afternoon is best. That way you get the benefits of the sun for your overall health and minimise the damaging effects.
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xy.. wrote:
Sun damage and cancer are both promoted by high carbohydrates, seed oils and plant toxins in the modern diet. When I was plant based I burned easily, accumulated moles and sun damage, despite religious application of sunscreen. Now, as a carnivore pushing 70, I never wear sunscreen, seek full sun exposure, never burn and my previous sun damage is healing. Most people mistake me for 50 at most despite my outdoor lifestyle.
Sun exposure is so critical to human health that our European (and Asian high latitude) ancestors LOST SHIELDING MELANIN over the course of late paleocene evolution, while of course eating 90% animals and fish for critical cholesterol and essential fatty acids missing in our modern plant based diets.
It appears that a plant based diet actually may help reduce sunburns, contrary to what you claim.
Massachusetts General Hospital - "Surprising Superpowers of a Plant-Based Diet" wrote:
Research indicates eating the equivalent of roughly two cups of grapes a day may enhance the body’s defenses against the sun, making it more resistant to sunburn. It may also lessen the damage caused by ultraviolet light. These benefits are attributed to the fruit’s polyphenol content, which includes plant compounds like resveratrol.
The ruby-hued plant pigment, lycopene, may offer similar benefits. Eating a little less than a quarter cup of tomato paste daily has been associated with decreased damage from sun-related radiation, which can age skin by reducing elasticity and contributing to wrinkles. Lycopene is easier to absorb when it’s cooked in fat, meaning an olive oil-laced tomato sauce may be a worthy sidekick to meals. (Try this pasta.)
Similar amounts of lycopene can be found in a wedge of watermelon or about a third of a cup of tomato puree. The pigment is also found in guava and pink grapefruit. But — as is the case for most plant-based benefits — regular consumption is needed for any potential protection.link:81 -
xy.. wrote:
Most people mistake me for 50 at most
No we don't.
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Here\'s my take wrote:
Long PLTR wrote:
That doesn't mean you should aim for zero sun exposure. You should try to get regular sun exposure, just not too much at once. You don't need to worry about being in the sun for your hour run every day, for example; maybe wear sun screen if it's intense .
Just how much for seniors? 🤔 5, 10, 15 minutes? And how often?
65 yr old here asking for another senior.
I really didn't start avoiding the sun until about 10 years ago. I do track workouts 2-3 times/week. I use a special sunscreen spray on my arms and face and I wear a visor except for the fast intervals.
After the workout is over. I'll take off my shirt and walk/jog a very easy 10 minutes.
I started seeing a dermatologist twice a year about 10 years ago ~age 66. She freezes off a half dozen lesions every visit. I've had one skin cancer surgery where they scapel off a layer at a time. No pain, but it was time consuming and left a minor scar.
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Look at all the chemicals in moisturisers and suncream. I don't want to apply that everyday. Also putting retinol all over your face increases sun sensitivity and causes fat loss. Oil based cleansers? That's a load of baloney.
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Clean and clear wrote:
Look at all the chemicals in moisturisers and suncream. I don't want to apply that everyday. Also putting retinol all over your face increases sun sensitivity and causes fat loss. Oil based cleansers? That's a load of baloney.
Tell me you’re low IQ without telling me you’re low IQ
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sun crushes skjn wrote:
I went from working outside every day to working inside everyday and my skin looks so much better. I was getting wrinkly fast, and I was running high mileage and drinking a lot. I don't think the damage is reversible but I already look so much better after a year.
How is that possible if the damage isn’t reversible?
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xy.. wrote:
Sun damage and cancer are both promoted by high carbohydrates, seed oils and plant toxins in the modern diet. When I was plant based I burned easily, accumulated moles and sun damage, despite religious application of sunscreen. Now, as a carnivore pushing 70, I never wear sunscreen, seek full sun exposure, never burn and my previous sun damage is healing. Most people mistake me for 50 at most despite my outdoor lifestyle.
Sun exposure is so critical to human health that our European (and Asian high latitude) ancestors LOST SHIELDING MELANIN over the course of late paleocene evolution, while of course eating 90% animals and fish for critical cholesterol and essential fatty acids missing in our modern plant based diets.
Blah blah blah… mad cow blah munch cuddy cud.
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'Old man yells at cloud' has never been more fitting.
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