Jakob is properly rated. He’s an incredibly fit athlete whose best event in the 3,000. He’s amazing in fast paced 1500s because they measure fitness. He’s less amazing in unpaced 1500s because he doesn’t trust his kick. He’s amazing in unpaced 5,000s because he trusts his kick.
He can trust his kick all he likes in the 1500 but it isn't fast enough.
Jakob is properly rated. He’s an incredibly fit athlete whose best event in the 3,000. He’s amazing in fast paced 1500s because they measure fitness. He’s less amazing in unpaced 1500s because he doesn’t trust his kick. He’s amazing in unpaced 5,000s because he trusts his kick.
I don't know why everyone says the 3k is his best event. He is utterly dominant at the 5k (and I think he would be at the 10k too.) I guess he needs to put up a wr attempt at the 5 to prove it, but he absolutely toys with the best 5000 meter runners in the world time and time again. That's his best event
I don't know why everyone says the 3k is his best event. He is utterly dominant at the 5k (and I think he would be at the 10k too.) I guess he needs to put up a wr attempt at the 5 to prove it, but he absolutely toys with the best 5000 meter runners in the world time and time again. That's his best event
Everyone says it because he owns the World Record. Perhaps it is the 5,000, but it is unproven. The world’s best 5,000m runners are often not in the 5,000m final when it shakes out due to the selection processes. We’ll see if Jakob does some record attempts/5,000m races on the circuit and that should give us more information.
Everyone says it because he owns the World Record. Perhaps it is the 5,000, but it is unproven. The world’s best 5,000m runners are often not in the 5,000m final when it shakes out due to the selection processes. We’ll see if Jakob does some record attempts/5,000m races on the circuit and that should give us more information.
If you need more information to know how good Jakob is at the 5000m, you aren't paying attention. Who is an example of one of the worlds best 5000m runners he hasn't beat? If selection committees aren't letting their best runners enter the 5k, it's because they don't want them to lose to Jakob. I get that the 3k record carries a lot of weight, but it baffles me that people think he is unproven at the 5k.
You left off half a second over the mile world record. He might be overrated if he was racing EL G, but since he is not, no he is not overrated. He is the man to beat.
Quite a few have. No golds in his main event since 2021.
I am once again for the 1000th time for armstronglivs to seek mental health therapy....
Everyone says it because he owns the World Record. Perhaps it is the 5,000, but it is unproven. The world’s best 5,000m runners are often not in the 5,000m final when it shakes out due to the selection processes. We’ll see if Jakob does some record attempts/5,000m races on the circuit and that should give us more information.
If you need more information to know how good Jakob is at the 5000m, you aren't paying attention. Who is an example of one of the worlds best 5000m runners he hasn't beat? If selection committees aren't letting their best runners enter the 5k, it's because they don't want them to lose to Jakob. I get that the 3k record carries a lot of weight, but it baffles me that people think he is unproven at the 5k.
The question is not whether or not he's better than everyone else in the 5000, it's how much better. A few seconds at least, or even more?
The question is not whether or not he's better than everyone else in the 5000, it's how much better. A few seconds at least, or even more?
Exactly. He’s the fastest in history at 3,000. Right now he is dominant 5,000 in championships but so was Mo Farah. I have zero doubt he’s much better than Farah historically at 1500/3000, I don’t know how I’d discern that at 5,000. Also the 10,000 is first so these countries/athletes like Barega, Aregawi, Cheptegei, Kejelcha prioritize it.
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If you need more information to know how good Jakob is at the 5000m, you aren't paying attention. Who is an example of one of the worlds best 5000m runners he hasn't beat? If selection committees aren't letting their best runners enter the 5k, it's because they don't want them to lose to Jakob. I get that the 3k record carries a lot of weight, but it baffles me that people think he is unproven at the 5k.
The question is not whether or not he's better than everyone else in the 5000, it's how much better. A few seconds at least, or even more?
There's more than a "few seconds" between 12:48 and 12:35.
No, he is not overrated. Glad I can help clear up your confusion.
The Jakob haters worshipped Komen’s, El G’s, etc. records until Jakob began beating them. Now all they do, led by senile old Armstronglivs, is complain.
Jakob is clearly overrated by many on this forum who place him in GOAT discussions and even ranking him ahead of the real GOAT contenders: Geb, Bekele, Rono and El Guerrouj.
We all thought 7:20 was the most out-there record, but we were wrong. Any record that gets beat by more than 2 seconds was soft.
That means it was soft before 7:20. Last thing you should assume when a soft record is broken, is that the new record isn't also soft. It most likely is.
What really happened is nobody seriously went after it, and 3000 shifted to indoors when noone was in shape to do it. Banked tracks made indoor 3000s so easy, noone wanted to do it outdoors anymore.
Add to that the fact that the market for distance track hit the skids, and all the fastest distance runners moved up to big money road racing.
El G, Geb, Lagat and many others went after the 3K record and failed. I think EL G went after it at least twice.
Twice? Two whole times? Wow.
I wonder how many times he went after the 1500 and mile records, besides the times he got them. I bet it's way more than two.
Nobody tries as hard for these off-distance records. You have to face the facts.
El G, Geb, Lagat and many others went after the 3K record and failed. I think EL G went after it at least twice.
Twice? Two whole times? Wow.
I wonder how many times he went after the 1500 and mile records, besides the times he got them. I bet it's way more than two.
Nobody tries as hard for these off-distance records. You have to face the facts.
Komen didn’t try hard in the 3000m? Gebrselassie didn’t either? Face the facts buddy, the 3000m WR is the toughest record on the books right now other than the Half-Marathon.
No, he is not overrated. Glad I can help clear up your confusion.
The Jakob haters worshipped Komen’s, El G’s, etc. records until Jakob began beating them. Now all they do, led by senile old Armstronglivs, is complain.
I wonder how many times he went after the 1500 and mile records, besides the times he got them. I bet it's way more than two.
Nobody tries as hard for these off-distance records. You have to face the facts.
Komen didn’t try hard in the 3000m? Gebrselassie didn’t either? Face the facts buddy, the 3000m WR is the toughest record on the books right now other than the Half-Marathon.
The event where Jakob ran 63min, despite him saying it was his "best distance"?
Everyone says it because he owns the World Record. Perhaps it is the 5,000, but it is unproven. The world’s best 5,000m runners are often not in the 5,000m final when it shakes out due to the selection processes. We’ll see if Jakob does some record attempts/5,000m races on the circuit and that should give us more information.
If you need more information to know how good Jakob is at the 5000m, you aren't paying attention. Who is an example of one of the worlds best 5000m runners he hasn't beat? If selection committees aren't letting their best runners enter the 5k, it's because they don't want them to lose to Jakob. I get that the 3k record carries a lot of weight, but it baffles me that people think he is unproven at the 5k.
This. Go see the field he beat in 2022 worlds… and 2023 with Covid… Fisher doubled back from the 10k so ask yourself why didn’t the Ugandans… ?