Also from the article. The views of an antidoping expert.
“The most sophisticated and successful doping programme in the world is the one we don’t know about,” she says. “This is the nature of anti-doping. It’s all a shot in the dark, because athletes are incentivised to do it as quietly and discreetly as possible, telling as few people as they can.” The most sophisticated anti-doping mechanisms won’t stop cheats if the people involved don’t want them to, she points out. (quote)
That won't have changed.
Isn't highlighting "the one we don't know about" just another way to talk about belief?
I look to experts to share their knowledge, not talk about the unknown.
Not really. Obviously that is correct. The only question is, how many such programs exist.
Crazy story. Lisa Dobriskey who represented the UK in the 1500m at the 2012 Olympics was upgraded several times over the years from her initial 10th place to 5th after more and more athletes from the race tested positive.
I just don't know if it was the dirtiest race ever or just the one with the most people caught? The east german days of women/s swimming was pretty bad. Womens T &F during Soviet/Eastern Block era.
Im still a fan of retroactively banning people to start of pro career. It should be part of the deterrent. Nick Willis would have Olympic Gold. Jenny Simpson would have Olympic silver and a 2nd world gold (aregawi=doper).
Not as dirty as Seoul 88 mens' 100m final. This particular video shows something I've never seen and no one talks about: just before the race Carl Lewis went up to Ben Johnson and the two shook hands. They had something in common and both knew it.
Also from the article. The views of an antidoping expert.
“The most sophisticated and successful doping programme in the world is the one we don’t know about,” she says. “This is the nature of anti-doping. It’s all a shot in the dark, because athletes are incentivised to do it as quietly and discreetly as possible, telling as few people as they can.” The most sophisticated anti-doping mechanisms won’t stop cheats if the people involved don’t want them to, she points out. (quote)
That won't have changed.
Isn't highlighting "the one we don't know about" just another way to talk about belief?
I look to experts to share their knowledge, not talk about the unknown.
Included in their knowledge is their awareness that doping exceeds what is known or detected because it is inherently done in secret. In the same way, white-collar crime or a "black market" is known to be greater than what is actually revealed. The old tip of the iceberg analogy. But you can be trusted not to understand that.
That race had almost no clean athletes, but the idea that you have to doping to be accelerating in the final meters of a race is one of the dumber things I have ever seen here. Have you never heard of a kick?
There are kicks that are believable and those that aren't.
“When you’re competing against someone who’s cheated, their bodies don’t behave the way a normal, clean body would when everybody else is fading,” Rowbury says. “They seem to have these other gears. They don’t seem to be impacted by lactic acid in the same way as everybody else, because they aren’t like everybody else. They’ve cheated.” It is striking, watching the final metres of the race, that two athletes appear almost to be accelerating in the final metres, like a pair of e-bikes on a hill overtaking flagging pedal cyclists. (quote)
It brings to mind a recent thread about a certain African distance runner. Actually, quite a few threads these days.
That describes everyone who makes an olympic final in any event. Theyre all dirty at that level.
Crazy story. Lisa Dobriskey who represented the UK in the 1500m at the 2012 Olympics was upgraded several times over the years from her initial 10th place to 5th after more and more athletes from the race tested positive.
I just don't know if it was the dirtiest race ever or just the one with the most people caught? The east german days of women/s swimming was pretty bad. Womens T &F during Soviet/Eastern Block era.
Im still a fan of retroactively banning people to start of pro career. It should be part of the deterrent. Nick Willis would have Olympic Gold. Jenny Simpson would have Olympic silver and a 2nd world gold (aregawi=doper).
Jenny "Dr. Brown thyroid patient" Simpson should not be getting any retroactive medals.
Watch the way some of them fly at end of fast 2 hour marathons. Kipchoge in the sub 2 attempt. Sprinting, showboating at end of sub2. Not humanly possible without PEDs. A clean marathon major winner is a needle in a haystack these days.
I just don't know if it was the dirtiest race ever or just the one with the most people caught? The east german days of women/s swimming was pretty bad. Womens T &F during Soviet/Eastern Block era.
Im still a fan of retroactively banning people to start of pro career. It should be part of the deterrent. Nick Willis would have Olympic Gold. Jenny Simpson would have Olympic silver and a 2nd world gold (aregawi=doper).
Jenny "Dr. Brown thyroid patient" Simpson should not be getting any retroactive medals.
The evidence against her is some of the weakest Ive ever seen. All we can do is go by who has been caught not looks, otherwise I would be saying JS has an olympic gold and 3 world gold, because she was beat by Faith Kipyegon in 2 of those races and FK looks as dirty as anyone. But Im going by if you were caught.
“When you’re competing against someone who’s cheated, their bodies don’t behave the way a normal, clean body would when everybody else is fading,” Rowbury says. “They seem to have these other gears. They don’t seem to be impacted by lactic acid in the same way as everybody else, because they aren’t like everybody else. They’ve cheated.” It is striking, watching the final metres of the race, that two athletes appear almost to be accelerating in the final metres, like a pair of e-bikes on a hill overtaking flagging pedal cyclists. (quote)
It brings to mind a recent thread about a certain African distance runner. Actually, quite a few threads these days.
That describes everyone who makes an olympic final in any event. Theyre all dirty at that level.
I disagree. Rowbury explained it the way everyone can understand. If everyone at that level is a genetic freak among freaks everyone is separated by tiny increments. When one person doesn't display normal physiology it's a red flag.
Pogachar rides away from everyone like they are in quick sand in brutal 6 hour races, then 6 days later he's doing it again and again. That's suspicious, not just winning.
Waldimar Cierpinski was doped to the gills. He had a 2:17:30 PR and was unknown, then won the Olympic Gold, stealing Shorter’s double. He was later discovered to be on record in East Germany state-sponsored drug program.
Why the IOC never DQ’d Cierpinski is beyond me.
Cierpinski actually ran 2:12 prior to Montreal, but was primarily a steeplechaser.
Waldimar Cierpinski was doped to the gills. He had a 2:17:30 PR and was unknown, then won the Olympic Gold, stealing Shorter’s double. He was later discovered to be on record in East Germany state-sponsored drug program.
Why the IOC never DQ’d Cierpinski is beyond me.
Agree. The first that came to my mind. In terms of impact or consequences, the dirtiest in my opinion.
I came here expecting to read about how triathletes had to swim in one of the most hazardous rivers every in the Paris 2024 Olympics, but this is also crazy. Maybe one day Dobriskey will land a bronze.