Jakob sitting at home in Norway shaking in his boots... Hocker 1:48.02, Nuguse 1:48.16, Kerr 1:50.68

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That high school kid wouldn’t break 1:49 with a 15mpw wind let’s be fair here. 1:50 maybe not either. See his margin vs Hoppel at Millrose.

I’d guess he exposes much more surface area to the wind than Wanyonyi (even excluding drafting) because he’s much bigger. My thinking is that just as 20 mph winds are far more difficult to race in (much more than 2x more) than 10 mph winds, the 6’4 runner is affected more than the 5’7 one.

I knew a couple taller (though thin) 5000 runners who struggled a lot in the wind, while the shorter and stockier ones placed higher than you’d expect.

There are few things better than watching Jakob win, Kerr losing is all of them

Low 1:49 in the Euros indoor 3000m final.

Correction_: MID 1:49. After the heat and final in the 1500m and heat in the 3000m in three the previous days.

I feel like the fatigue of running into a -7 m/s headwind would catch up to you over that long of a race. Must feel like running through a giant, thick haystack

ya. but most of them getting some decent drafting.

edit: Hocker led the backpack through most of the worst stuff, though some of the guys running off the shoulder, etc. not taking advantage of drafting opportunity.

yes - you lose more energy in a headwind than you get back in the subsequent tailwind

No, he didn't. He ran 1:49.9. So effectively 1:50.

In an 800 you get headwind, tailwind, and crosswind. The headwind slows one down more than a tailwind speeds one up and a crosswind is slower than running in still air.

The point really is that times are slower on a windy day and it was more than a little bit windy for that race.

The online calculator linked below helps explore the magnitude effect. It probably nets to something on the order of a couple seconds for the conditions indicated.

apps.runningwritings.com

Headwind and tailwind calculator for runners

John J Davis, PhD

Calculate the effects of headwinds and tailwinds on your pacing for workout and races.

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So Bannister ran, effectively, 4:00

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34 upvotes to 10 downvotes, yet it seems like anyone who’s ever tried to run fast on a track should know that high wind makes it significantly harder. Weird.

On the next episode of Ingebrigtsen - Born To Run, Jakob and his brothers watch with delight as his competitors struggle mightily at a track meet.

Yeah I mean Sydney only ran 50.3, Dos Santos in the mid-45s. I suspect the 800 guys were slowed by 1.5 seconds or so. And then for the guys who finished top 4 yesterday they probably lose about .5s due to doubling back after a hard-closing 1500. If you're losing by 3 seconds to Arop obviously it's not stellar, but that was a very impressive 1:45 run given the huge winds.

All things consideted, Cooper likely would have run under 1:50 - and have beaten Kerr … at least.

Fresh, I'd agree yes. That was a howler from Kerr. Yes he's a pro in an off event he's not particularly good at, and on just a month of training. The performance stunk, even accounting for wind.

You aren't very bright are you. The claim is that Ingebrigtsen ran 1:49, not that he broke the "1:50 barrier". A tenth of a second under 1:50 is also 9/10 of a second closer to 1:50 than 1:49. (Bannister also ran closer to 3:59 than he did to 4:00.) No one says Bolt ran 9.0 when he ran 9.58. 10ths - and hundredths - of a second still count.

And you get as much downhill as uphill. This is why marathon records are always set on hilly loop courses.