There are a couple legitimate ways to justify such restrictions. The one that makes the most sense to me is European sports leagues have limits on the number of non-European players they can have on a roster (for soccer it is typically 2-3). Comparable treatment is reasonably justifiable.
NCAA is a college competition not a geographically based competition. Being a part of the NCAA means it's for college students. College students come from everywhere. How do you guys not understand this. And no college isn't only for 18-22 year olds. Go compete at the US championships instead...oh wait too slow 😂. Go dII or Naia simple solution
With the advent of NIL, the NCAA is now a pseudo professional sports league (and, yes, I understand foreign athletes cannot receive American NIL money as it violates their Visa (they can receive foreign NIL money). If they start allowing foreigners to accept US NIL money, then that would open the door for quotas, just like any other worker Visa. I think that would be a fair compromise. Allow foreign athletes to sign US NIL deals, but establish a quota system just like you would for any other Visa category.
What other sports besides track may have a heavy presence of foreigners on a single team that lawmakers have in mind for something like this?
Tennis has a FAR higher rate of foreign athletes. Funny, I never hear anyone complain about it. The only complainers are runners. What is wrong with runners? All people here ever seem to do is scream about foreigners and drugs. Very, very few distance runners use drugs and there are not many foreigners competing overall, just a small number of very good ones at the top that make it look like there are a lot of them.
Since it's AMERICAN tax dollars funding this stuff, then maybe we should allocate these resources to AMERICAN student athletes
It is NOT American tax dollars funding this stuff, at least not if you're talking about scholarships. It's not legal in any state to use public money to fund athletic scholarships for either foreign students, out of state students, or in state students. Scholarship money comes from revenue generated by schools' athletic departments, donations, school fees, and maybe a thing or two I'm not thinking of.
Simple, then, tie the number of scholarships to the foreign student population. Since foreigners make up 6% of students, they should receive 6% of scholarships. If more want to come, that is fine, but they will have to finance their own way.
Following this line of logic: If an international runner is just flat out better than all the other American runners under consideration, shouldn't the better runner, who happens to be international, get the scholarship and the spot?
In academics, the consideration is always the more impressive work of the candidate. So it's completely normal for international academics to get scholarships or funding for their work at universities.
You want scholarships and places on teams? Earn it.
Following this line of logic: If an international runner is just flat out better than all the other American runners under consideration, shouldn't the better runner, who happens to be international, get the scholarship and the spot?
In academics, the consideration is always the more impressive work of the candidate. So it's completely normal for international academics to get scholarships or funding for their work at universities.
You want scholarships and places on teams? Earn it.
Is it an American college athletic association or a Kenyan one?
There are a couple legitimate ways to justify such restrictions. The one that makes the most sense to me is European sports leagues have limits on the number of non-European players they can have on a roster (for soccer it is typically 2-3). Comparable treatment is reasonably justifiable.
Following this line of logic: If an international runner is just flat out better than all the other American runners under consideration, shouldn't the better runner, who happens to be international, get the scholarship and the spot?
In academics, the consideration is always the more impressive work of the candidate. So it's completely normal for international academics to get scholarships or funding for their work at universities.
You want scholarships and places on teams? Earn it.
Is it an American college athletic association or a Kenyan one?
deal with it snowflake
in the job market and in universities you compete and collaborate with people from around the world. it's a centuries-long norm for students and faculty to participate in university settings across borders in all kinds of capacities because it makes everyone better.
if you can't handle it then maybe try local club running or rollerblading
Since it's AMERICAN tax dollars funding this stuff, then maybe we should allocate these resources to AMERICAN student athletes
It is NOT American tax dollars funding this stuff, at least not if you're talking about scholarships. It's not legal in any state to use public money to fund athletic scholarships for either foreign students, out of state students, or in state students. Scholarship money comes from revenue generated by schools' athletic departments, donations, school fees, and maybe a thing or two I'm not thinking of.
Look up the term "fungible currency" and do some reading before posting again please.
Following this line of logic: If an international runner is just flat out better than all the other American runners under consideration, shouldn't the better runner, who happens to be international, get the scholarship and the spot?
In academics, the consideration is always the more impressive work of the candidate. So it's completely normal for international academics to get scholarships or funding for their work at universities.
You want scholarships and places on teams? Earn it.
It's absolutely still merit based, but within the scope of the U.S. market. Exactly the same as why one can be against both DEI and the H1B visas without any contradiction. Just because I support the best Americans rising to the top does not mean I must also support turning my country into some type of free economic zone of competition for the whole world.
So yes, even if the Kenyan is better, they can compete in Kenya with their own country's funding. American tax payer funded universities are under no obligation, legally, morally, or otherwise to fund the global south's Olympic development.
What other sports besides track may have a heavy presence of foreigners on a single team that lawmakers have in mind for something like this?
Tennis has a FAR higher rate of foreign athletes. Funny, I never hear anyone complain about it. The only complainers are runners. What is wrong with runners? All people here ever seem to do is scream about foreigners and drugs. Very, very few distance runners use drugs and there are not many foreigners competing overall, just a small number of very good ones at the top that make it look like there are a lot of them.
It is ARWS - American Runner Whining Syndrome. Even though American men are winning Olympic medals and setting world records now, that isn't enough. Complete annihilation of competition is the goal - only Americans deserve to win. Lets start in the NCAA system. This is the Trump insanity influence - everyone is a cheater except me. Everyone is to blame for the problems in the world, except me. Embracing competition - especially international ones - is good for the sport. For a country so obsessed with DEI - this is the ultimate DEI, get rid of "real" competition so we can win a watered-down version, but be able to tell ourselves how good we are. Pathetic.
There are a couple legitimate ways to justify such restrictions. The one that makes the most sense to me is European sports leagues have limits on the number of non-European players they can have on a roster (for soccer it is typically 2-3). Comparable treatment is reasonably justifiable.
NCAA is a college competition not a geographically based competition. Being a part of the NCAA means it's for college students. College students come from everywhere. How do you guys not understand this. And no college isn't only for 18-22 year olds. Go compete at the US championships instead...oh wait too slow 😂. Go dII or Naia simple solution
Yeah, this is tantamount to restricting international students at US public colleges, period. I mean, it's possible to make snowflake US citizens a protected class at US public colleges but it's not a good look. All to reserve roster spots for athletes who will never challenge for NCAA titles and zero shot to be Olympians? If you really want to see an NCAA D1 sport with roster domination by foreigners then look at tennis. Do people on tennis message boards cry about this all the time like on here?
Following this line of logic: If an international runner is just flat out better than all the other American runners under consideration, shouldn't the better runner, who happens to be international, get the scholarship and the spot?
In academics, the consideration is always the more impressive work of the candidate. So it's completely normal for international academics to get scholarships or funding for their work at universities.
You want scholarships and places on teams? Earn it.
Just because I support the best Americans rising to the top does not mean I must also support turning my country into some type of free economic zone of competition for the whole world.
The United States is literally the bastion of capitalist free economy (until it actually means you need to compete, apparently)
If you think the idea of fungible currency applies here and want to get the idea into this discussion you can put it here. As of now I don't see any reason to do it. Scholarships are not funded by taxpayers, not just athletic ones. The only way American taxpayers are funding the education of athletes at state schools is in the case of in state athletes where about half the cost of attending is funded by money from the state, as is the case for all in state students, athletes or not. In such cases the cost to an athletic department of scholarships to these students is less than for an out of state student whether they're from another country or another state.
Just because I support the best Americans rising to the top does not mean I must also support turning my country into some type of free economic zone of competition for the whole world.
The United States is literally the bastion of capitalist free economy (until it actually means you need to compete, apparently)
Well the good thing about being the most powerful country in the world is that we don't have to justify ourselves to anyone else.
So yeah, I support the "free market" when I can buy 100 dollar shoes from China and I don't when a 28 year old man is taking my son's scholarship. People support things that benefit them and oppose things that harm them, isn't that crazy? Does that make me a hypocrite? You seem to think so. I just think it's common sense.
Terrible idea. We should help Trump take over Greenland. Then send all the conservatives and they can set rules where nobody can come visit them.
Name one thing conservative lawmakers have made better.
National Parks. Teddy Roosevelt helped CONSERVE 230 million acres of public lands that became National Parks.
You want more than one? How about the EPA, Clean Air Act, and Clean Water Act.
George H.W. Bush was the first presidential candidate to campaign on the issue of climate change and called himself an environmentalist. As President he started the National Climate Assessment and the US Global Change Research Program, and signed the Global Change Research Act of 1990 and 1990 Clean Air Act amendments targeting acid rain.
The party switch for Teddy Roosevelt. H.W Bush was just an overall good president.
Following this line of logic: If an international runner is just flat out better than all the other American runners under consideration, shouldn't the better runner, who happens to be international, get the scholarship and the spot?
In academics, the consideration is always the more impressive work of the candidate. So it's completely normal for international academics to get scholarships or funding for their work at universities.
You want scholarships and places on teams? Earn it.
It's absolutely still merit based, but within the scope of the U.S. market. Exactly the same as why one can be against both DEI and the H1B visas without any contradiction. Just because I support the best Americans rising to the top does not mean I must also support turning my country into some type of free economic zone of competition for the whole world.
So yes, even if the Kenyan is better, they can compete in Kenya with their own country's funding. American tax payer funded universities are under no obligation, legally, morally, or otherwise to fund the global south's Olympic development.
But then it is inherently not a meritocracy if you have to not allow certain people because they are better. That is giving the American athletes a chance to shine which is what DEI is for(though not necessarily for athletes).