Yeah no one should have thought he was “done” or had peaked in HS based on one tough freshman year with injuries. 3:37.93 at 17 years old is pretty high up there as far as all-time teen mid-distance performance, and I thought this past XC season was fairly encouraging when he was finishing right with Nathan Green in multiple races.
Impressive race in how he jumped on the pacers (Birnbaum must have been ~56.00 through 400m) and had a kick to try to steal the W in the homestretch (too little too late). It looks like he could go even a bit faster. If he can stay healthy, it honestly won’t be surprising if he breaks 3:50 as a collegian.
On another note, do you think Sean McGorty was expecting to finish last in this race? (Although Devan Kipyego started tanking and dropped out).
why would you think he could go faster? He was wide open and all out and was in a way better spot than the ultimate winner. If he could run faster he should have. You don't get extra credit running even a converted to, 2 second PR, ever. It seems after everyone of these massive PRs or even smaller improvements, every thread on here, says, well if the fractions were...if he had gone out faster...if he had kicked harder... enough already, you run what you run and thats what you get credit for, unless there are some other clear makers around the event that demonstrate obvious stuff
I think it is awesome that we live in an era where a college sophomore running 3:52 is not even worth a whole thread. For fans who don't remember the 1990s, this would have been the "race of the decade" by a college kid. Now it is a "solid effort."
p.s. I am happy for him. The last year has been rough and going to Oregon, he was expect to be crushing it. It is nice to see he followed through on his potential! Good for him!
I think it is awesome that we live in an era where a college sophomore running 3:52 is not even worth a whole thread. For fans who don't remember the 1990s, this would have been the "race of the decade" by a college kid. Now it is a "solid effort."
I think it is awesome that we live in an era where a college sophomore running 3:52 is not even worth a whole thread. For fans who don't remember the 1990s, this would have been the "race of the decade" by a college kid. Now it is a "solid effort."
p.s. I am happy for him. The last year has been rough and going to Oregon, he was expect to be crushing it. It is nice to see he followed through on his potential! Good for him!
Wakeup call - 1990 was 35 years ago. 35 years before 1990 was 1955.
I agree with you and like your observation that 1955 is to 1990, what 1990 is to 2025. Wild!
In the Strand thread, I pointed out that there have been a lot of legit changes in those last 35 years, which supports your point 100%:
Guys like Strand (and Birnbnaum and Green) are all benefiting from those changes: double threshold training, bi-carb, super-surfaces on super tracks, super shoes, professional coaching, transfer portals that allow the best kids to group together at the same schools, and a lot more.
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I think it is awesome that we live in an era where a college sophomore running 3:52 is not even worth a whole thread. For fans who don't remember the 1990s, this would have been the "race of the decade" by a college kid. Now it is a "solid effort."
I remember reading Once a Runner when I was younger, how Cassidy’s entire college dream was to break 4:00 in college and be one of the best in the nation. 3:59 does not even garner a footnote today.
Wakeup call - 1990 was 35 years ago. 35 years before 1990 was 1955.
I agree with you and like your observation that 1955 is to 1990, what 1990 is to 2025. Wild!
In the Strand thread, I pointed out that there have been a lot of legit changes in those last 35 years, which supports your point 100%:
Guys like Strand (and Birnbnaum and Green) are all benefiting from those changes: double threshold training, bi-carb, super-surfaces on super tracks, super shoes, professional coaching, transfer portals that allow the best kids to group together at the same schools, and a lot more.
I remember Joe Falcon running 3:49 in Oslo in 1990 and it was epic. Now Strand runs 3:48 and he looks like he barely broke a sweat. Birnbaum at 3:52, just a sign of these crazy times. Yet 3:42 and 3:25 still remain impregnable times, but maybe 2025 is the year.
I agree with you and like your observation that 1955 is to 1990, what 1990 is to 2025. Wild!
In the Strand thread, I pointed out that there have been a lot of legit changes in those last 35 years, which supports your point 100%:
I remember Joe Falcon running 3:49 in Oslo in 1990 and it was epic. Now Strand runs 3:48 and he looks like he barely broke a sweat. Birnbaum at 3:52, just a sign of these crazy times. Yet 3:42 and 3:25 still remain impregnable times, but maybe 2025 is the year.
I remember Joe Falcon running 3:49 in Oslo in 1990 and it was epic. Now Strand runs 3:48 and he looks like he barely broke a sweat. Birnbaum at 3:52, just a sign of these crazy times. Yet 3:42 and 3:25 still remain impregnable times, but maybe 2025 is the year.
I agree with you and like your observation that 1955 is to 1990, what 1990 is to 2025. Wild!
In the Strand thread, I pointed out that there have been a lot of legit changes in those last 35 years, which supports your point 100%:
I remember Joe Falcon running 3:49 in Oslo in 1990 and it was epic. Now Strand runs 3:48 and he looks like he barely broke a sweat. Birnbaum at 3:52, just a sign of these crazy times. Yet 3:42 and 3:25 still remain impregnable times, but maybe 2025 is the year.
I remember Joe Falcon running 3:49 in Oslo in 1990 and it was epic. Now Strand runs 3:48 and he looks like he barely broke a sweat. Birnbaum at 3:52, just a sign of these crazy times. Yet 3:42 and 3:25 still remain impregnable times, but maybe 2025 is the year.
Yared's got you
Only if he sits behind Jakob. Even then, would be a long shot from 3:25.
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