I think they should have stuck with 25 mm. Yes you can stick a plate in a 25 mm stack height shoe, but not that springy of a plate.
Yeah I agree. Man, I'm gonna be real bummed about not being able to race in the Cloudspike 10,000s this outdoor season. Like come on, 21 mm?? The LD-X's are also illegal by these rules.
I'll have to resort to using my Asics Metaspeed LDs I guess. Don't feel like shelling out the money for full price Victorys
I'm going to race track in the fuel cell pulse. I also have a very old pair of mayflys. I'm pretty sure they are lower than 20 mm stack height, but not all old shoes appear on the world athletics shoe list. Not sure what they'll do in that situation. I'll prob enter 2 events at meets where I plan to run the mayflys and run one race in the fuel cell pulse to test the waters.
I actually can't find the mayfly stack height listed anywhere. I guess the spike flats I have sitting around I'll just use for the couple club xc races a year I run.
I think they should have stuck with 25 mm. Yes you can stick a plate in a 25 mm stack height shoe, but not that springy of a plate.
Yeah I agree. Man, I'm gonna be real bummed about not being able to race in the Cloudspike 10,000s this outdoor season. Like come on, 21 mm?? The LD-X's are also illegal by these rules.
I'll have to resort to using my Asics Metaspeed LDs I guess. Don't feel like shelling out the money for full price Victorys
I had also been looking at the Cloudspike 10000s for this track season. Glad I held off so long on buying them since they're essentially worthless now.
I don't understand the Dragonfly comment though. Metaspeed LDs are $200 MSRP? You can get Dragonfly 1s for under $100 on ebay
Couldn't find any other threads about this, but apparently the NCAA updated the rule book over the summer to align its rules on shoes with World Athletics. Seeing lots of DQs early on in this indoor season as athletes (and apparently coaches) are not aware of the new rules.
It started in August when NCAA rules bringing shoe regulations in line with WA were first implemented, but World Athletics amended their rules at the end of this past November. Originally, events below 800m had a stack height limit of 20mm while 800m and up had a limit of 25mm. But the November update made it a uniform 20mm across all events. Only recently did the NCAA bring their rules in line with the new 20mm limit.
One other thought: I get the impression that the new 20mm WA rule blind sided everyone, including the brands. ON just released a limited line of spikes, the Cloudspike Amplius (LD) and Citius (MD). The Citius snuck under the 20mm limit but the Amplius did not. Why sink all that money into developing and producing a spike that is obsolete within a few months? ON currently does not have a long distance spike offering on the market as a result of this rule, and I think its because they didn't know about the rule change.
Nike, ironically, got through scot free. The Dragonfly is 19.9mm.
Yeah I agree. Man, I'm gonna be real bummed about not being able to race in the Cloudspike 10,000s this outdoor season. Like come on, 21 mm?? The LD-X's are also illegal by these rules.
I'll have to resort to using my Asics Metaspeed LDs I guess. Don't feel like shelling out the money for full price Victorys
I had also been looking at the Cloudspike 10000s for this track season. Glad I held off so long on buying them since they're essentially worthless now.
I don't understand the Dragonfly comment though. Metaspeed LDs are $200 MSRP? You can get Dragonfly 1s for under $100 on ebay
I have a pair of the cloudspike 10000 with <10 miles on them. Still a great shoe but slightly heavier than the Dragonfly 2 elite. I'll probably use them as a training spike
Does anyone know if the NCAA is following the new World Athletics limit of 20mm? This is the exact wording in the rule book so for 800-10k up to 25mm spikes should be legal at least for this year?
The maximum thickness of individual event shoe soles are as follows: For all field events except triple jumps - 20mm; For triple jump - 25mm; For track events (including hurdle events) up to but not including 800 meters - 20mm; For track events 800m and above (including steeplechase events) - 25mm; For relay events the rule applies to the distance of the leg being run by each athlete.
Does anyone know if the NCAA is following the new World Athletics limit of 20mm? This is the exact wording in the rule book so for 800-10k up to 25mm spikes should be legal at least for this year?
The maximum thickness of individual event shoe soles are as follows: For all field events except triple jumps - 20mm; For triple jump - 25mm; For track events (including hurdle events) up to but not including 800 meters - 20mm; For track events 800m and above (including steeplechase events) - 25mm; For relay events the rule applies to the distance of the leg being run by each athlete.
Even though those lines you mentioned correspond to the old World Athletics rules prior to November 1, 2024, the NCAA is following the current World Athletics rules. I was told that the following line in the NCAA rules covers the legality of shoes moving forward:
Any type of shoe must be reasonably available and listed on the World Athletics approved list.
Doesn’t matter. Damage’s already been done. Just open the flood gates and make everything legal at this point. Bet there’s not a single change in performances if they did.
Rumor has it that officials are checking ~10% of athletes' shoes to make sure they're compliant.
Petty coaches should get some solace in knowing that you can likely file appeals for DQ at athletes' competing in noncompliant shoes. Especially at championships, it should hold some merit.
wildcat2 wrote: One other thought: I get the impression that the new 20mm WA rule blind sided everyone, including the brands. ON just released a limited line of spikes, the Cloudspike Amplius (LD) and Citius (MD). The Citius snuck under the 20mm limit but the Amplius did not. Why sink all that money into developing and producing a spike that is obsolete within a few months? ON currently does not have a long distance spike offering on the market as a result of this rule, and I think its because they didn't know about the rule change.
Nike, ironically, got through scot free. The Dragonfly is 19.9mm.
The World Athletics C2.1A – Athletic Shoe Regulations state they were approved on December 22, 2021 and effective on January 1, 2022. I don't have an copy of the regulations downloaded from back in 2022, but I'd have to believe that the section regarding the new maximum thickness effective November 1, 2024 would have been there at that time. That means that brands should have been aware back in 2022, unless that change was slipped in after the original approval and they didn't adjust the approval dates.
I'm not sure where you are seeing that the Citius is legal, but it's over by 3mm.