Algeria would also be up in there - Morceli obviously and they had a good 400m guy a few years ago, and two 1:43 800m guys.
Algeria would also be up in there - Morceli obviously and they had a good 400m guy a few years ago, and two 1:43 800m guys.
Girls?
Russia? just a thought
1200-Kazankina: 3:52 1500
400- Nazarova: 49.11
800- Olizarenko: 1:53
1600- Masterkova: 4:12(mile)
GBR wrote:
1200 Cram
800 Coe
400 Redmond
1600 Ovett
one hell of a team, and you can still fit them all in the same era
ELIMINATE THEM....ALL DRUGSTERS.....WHO COACHED COE, HIS FATHER?????
Mrr82 wrote:
Samson Kitur wrote:44.18 Samson Kitur KEN 25 02 1966 2sf2 Barcelona 03 08 1992
Seriously...the guy you are replying to is a moron. 5 seconds at best?? Kipketer has gone out in 49 maybe 48 high in a 800 before. Unless America has a guy who can split 38.5 or something.
Hey now, I wasn't CERTAIN Kenya had anyone who had run an open quarter faster than 48. Kenyan sprinters aren't in the news much. The scenario is based on prs so I think certainty is required. I wrote MJ would give USA a five second advantage AT BEST because 48-43=5. Excuse me for not KNOWING Kenya had a 44 guy.
I would be fair to use a bona fide 1200m split from a race or I think the 1000m PR of a runner from that country. If you use actual PR's and a 1000m time it has to be Britain.
Coe puts them ahead of everyone by a ways (Brazil and Denmark have no depth) and Cram's 1000m PR puts them further ahead in the opening leg.
Or they could put Cram at anchor... well here's the best times added up objectively:
1200 - Elliott (1:42.97 800) or Ovett (3:30.77 1500)
400 - Iwan Thomas - 44.36
800 - Coe - 1:41.73
1600 - Cram (3:29.67 or 3:46.33)Use whichever you think is fair.
I think Morocco is the only team that could beat this on paper. I was using 1500 bests and if you use mile PRs Kenya or Morocco could win as they have three seconds lead in the 1600 leg.
Kenya, of course, has won an Olympic Gold medal in the men's 4x400m relay.
... and their national record is sub3
2:59.63 Kenya KEN 3h2 Barcelona 07 08 1992
(Kitur David, Kitur Samson, Kipkemboi Simon, Kemboi Simon)
How about the world record as in the fastest time 4 men could have run:
1999 SB's
1200 Noah Ngeny 2:11.96, 3:43.40 (mile)
400 Michael Jordan 43.18
800 Wilson Kipketer 1:42.57
1600 Hicham el-Guerrouj 3:43.13 (mile)
Ngeny should have had about 2:41 fitness based on his other SBs
Michael Jordan should have been able to split around 42mid
Wilson Kipketer should have had a 1:42 split in him
Hicham's mile indicates a 3:41 1600 split
So in ideal conditions (competition, etc), this team should have been able to run 8:46-8:48
USA
1200-Gray
400 - Johnson
800 - WARINER(1:39?)
1600- Scott
darkness wrote:
I think Morocco is the only team that could beat this on paper. I was using 1500 bests and if you use mile PRs Kenya or Morocco could win as they have three seconds lead in the 1600 leg.
Lagat ran 3:26.34, and Ngeny ran 3:28.12. Whether you use 1500m or Mile prs I see Kenya winning. Ngeny also has the WR for 1000m, not Coe. 2:11.96 for Ngeny vs. 2:12.18 for Coe. With Ngeny leading off and Lagat closing I don't see how GB can win. Cram is less than a second faster than Lagat for a full mile, and his 1500m pr is much weaker. The trio of Kipketer, Lagat, and Ngeny beats Coe, Cram, and Ovett no matter how you assign the Brits. Coe can't run two legs, so GB either lose ground in the 1200m or the 800m.
To other posters: Thanks for the insight about the Kenyan quartermilers. I didn't pretend to know anything about Kenyan sprinting, and am happy to learn.
It's Michael Johnson not Jordan and it would be:
Noah Ngeny- 2:39.92 (purdy conversion from 3:40.40 mile)
Michael Johnson- 43.18
Wilson Kipketer- 1:42.27
Hicham El Guerrouj- 3:41.66 (purdy conversion from 3:43.13 mile)
Total=8:48.75
I mean 8:47.03
It would be a great match up.
1200 Cram (PBs of 1:42.88, 2:12.88, 3:46.32)
800 Coe (1:41.73)
400 Redmond (44.5)
1600 Ovett (3:48.4)
1200 Kennedy Kimwetich (2:13.56)
800 Bungei (1:42.34)
400 Ezra Sambu (44.43A)
1600 Ngeny (PBs of 2:11.96, 3:43.5)
I tried to keep them in reasonably close eras (GBR in the mid 80s and KEN around 2000).