Jakob Ingebrigtsen Running Mile at Lievin Indoor Gold Meet

DevonDixonFan wrote:

Yaaaaas wrote:

I don’t see this an advantage for Nuguse and Kerr at all. Jakob is very much used to leading races after the rabbit has done its job. That will not be foreign to him in Lievin and he likely will not have any difficulty with positioning. That can’t be said for Nuguse and Kerr, who rely on Jakob a lot to push the pace for them after the rabbit veers off. And both of them will very much be fighting for position the last 400/200/100 on the tight indoor bends. Jakob will run much closer to a true 1609.344 meters vs Nuguse and Kerr.

This narrative is so stupid... There is going to be a pacer for 1000-1100 meters. I guess Yared Nuguse who has run 3:47 twice indoors and Josh Kerr (who took the lead from Jakob at the Pre Classic) are incapable of running hard for 500 meters.

Give me a break, your GOAT got slammed outdoors. The only 1500m "races" he wins are DL time trials. He's dodging Kerr and Nuguse because he knows that in a race that matter (going for the world record) he's getting slammed again.

DevonDixonFan wrote:

Yaaaaas wrote:

I don’t see this an advantage for Nuguse and Kerr at all. Jakob is very much used to leading races after the rabbit has done its job. That will not be foreign to him in Lievin and he likely will not have any difficulty with positioning. That can’t be said for Nuguse and Kerr, who rely on Jakob a lot to push the pace for them after the rabbit veers off. And both of them will very much be fighting for position the last 400/200/100 on the tight indoor bends. Jakob will run much closer to a true 1609.344 meters vs Nuguse and Kerr.

This narrative is so stupid... There is going to be a pacer for 1000-1100 meters. I guess Yared Nuguse who has run 3:47 twice indoors and Josh Kerr (who took the lead from Jakob at the Pre Classic) are incapable of running hard for 500 meters.

Give me a break, your GOAT got slammed outdoors. The only 1500m "races" he wins are DL time trials. He's dodging Kerr and Nuguse because he knows that in a race that matter (going for the world record) he's getting slammed again.

Peach Pit wrote:

Can we start calling Jakob out for dodging the competition? The Wanamaker is one of the most prestigious mile races in the world every year, and the most prestigious during indoors. Kerr and Nuguse, two of the people who beat him in Paris are racing it literally 5 days before Jakob is racing a mile, and Nuguse has come within like .3s of the WR in each of the last 2 years. I expect it to go down with Kerr to compete against. Plus the third person who beat him in Paris, Hocker, is racing the 3k at Millrose.

There is clearly a meet with the best competition, and Jakob is clearly choosing not to race it. I love Jakob for always showing up at DLs, he's one of my favorite athletes, and I know Lievin always runs a great meet, but just because I love an athlete doesn't mean I won't call them out for dodging what could end up being one of the greatest indoor races in history. We could have seen the 2-3-4 from the Olympics all push each other under the mile WR on US soil at the biggest meet of the regular season on national TV.

Honestly the more I think about it, the more I think Jakob is actually afraid that he'd get outkicked and miss out on the WR. He thinks he can run faster on his own than Nuguse and Kerr can run off of each other, but he's not confident that Nuguse or Kerr wouldn't be able to latch onto him and outkick him. To be fair, he shouldn't be, but still, it comes off to be as some p*ssy a*s b*tch sh*t for someone who was calling out Kerr the other day for not contributing to WR racing.

Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:

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He will break whatever WR Nuguse or Kerr runs in Millrose 5 days earlier lol.

So what is interesting to me is that despite the murmurings of Jakob running a 5000m indoors (and there is definitely a thread about him going after the 12.49.60 of Bekele) as some kind of prep for stepping up outdoors and possible WR tilt seem totally off the mark.

Hard to imagine he runs another 1 day indoor meet this off season. He ran Lievin (and only Lievin) in 22,23, missed in 24 due to injury and is now back in 2025 - I think he has a multi-year contract to run this meet similar to what I know he has at Lausanne. Maybe he runs Euro indoors for training - hard to imagine he will go to China to run worlds.

8 DL 5000m races this season but I think it's a fair assumption Shaoxing and Doha are off the table. That leaves Oslo, Stockholm, Paris, Monaco, Lausanne and the final in Zurich. What is interesting is that neither two of his favorite venues, Monaco and Lausanne, don't have 1500m/miles as yet. Maybe a legit tilt happens there - though I have always been of the mind he needs a solid attempt at something in the low 12.40's before he's really ready.

One thing he doesn't need is practice going after the mile - 3.47.01 is still a very good record and it was run on the worlds fastest running surface in Boston, but he obviously still has the ability to break it.

Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:

So what is interesting to me is that despite the murmurings of Jakob running a 5000m indoors (and there is definitely a thread about him going after the 12.49.60 of Bekele) as some kind of prep for stepping up outdoors and possible WR tilt seem totally off the mark.

Hard to imagine he runs another 1 day indoor meet this off season. He ran Lievin (and only Lievin) in 22,23, missed in 24 due to injury and is now back in 2025 - I think he has a multi-year contract to run this meet similar to what I know he has at Lausanne. Maybe he runs Euro indoors for training - hard to imagine he will go to China to run worlds.

8 DL 5000m races this season but I think it's a fair assumption Shaoxing and Doha are off the table. That leaves Oslo, Stockholm, Paris, Monaco, Lausanne and the final in Zurich. What is interesting is that neither two of his favorite venues, Monaco and Lausanne, don't have 1500m/miles as yet. Maybe a legit tilt happens there - though I have always been of the mind he needs a solid attempt at something in the low 12.40's before he's really ready.

One thing he doesn't need is practice going after the mile - 3.47.01 is still a very good record and it was run on the worlds fastest running surface in Boston, but he obviously still has the ability to break it.

Peach Pit wrote:

Can we start calling Jakob out for dodging the competition? The Wanamaker is one of the most prestigious mile races in the world every year, and the most prestigious during indoors. Kerr and Nuguse, two of the people who beat him in Paris are racing it literally 5 days before Jakob is racing a mile, and Nuguse has come within like .3s of the WR in each of the last 2 years. I expect it to go down with Kerr to compete against. Plus the third person who beat him in Paris, Hocker, is racing the 3k at Millrose.

There is clearly a meet with the best competition, and Jakob is clearly choosing not to race it. I love Jakob for always showing up at DLs, he's one of my favorite athletes, and I know Lievin always runs a great meet, but just because I love an athlete doesn't mean I won't call them out for dodging what could end up being one of the greatest indoor races in history. We could have seen the 2-3-4 from the Olympics all push each other under the mile WR on US soil at the biggest meet of the regular season on national TV.

Honestly the more I think about it, the more I think Jakob is actually afraid that he'd get outkicked and miss out on the WR. He thinks he can run faster on his own than Nuguse and Kerr can run off of each other, but he's not confident that Nuguse or Kerr wouldn't be able to latch onto him and outkick him. To be fair, he shouldn't be, but still, it comes off to be as some p*ssy a*s b*tch sh*t for someone who was calling out Kerr the other day for not contributing to WR racing.

John Wesley Harding wrote:

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

I’m more interested he doesn’t want the indoor 3000m record. Unless he’s really really feeling it, he probably won’t set an unbreakable mile record. Anything over 3:46 could go in the next handful of year given the talent of the crop and Millrose/BU providing opportunities. 3,000 is safer.

I do think he will consider running Worlds. I get China changes things, but he could get his first global 1500 title since 2025 and why not go for that.

I don’t think I agree with your thinking. 5 seasons have come and gone and Kejelcha’s 3:47.01 is still the WR, so if Jakob can run, say, 3:45.80, I don’t see it as an especially precarious record. (At the WR-end, times remain significantly slower indoors for mid-distance, with Jakob being the only man under 3:31/1500 and only 3 sub-1:44i guys in history.)

Sure it might not be as “unbreakable” as the 3k record he could lay down, but I doubt that’s his #1 criteria in race selection. We all know he could break Girma’s 7:23.81, and even if he ran 7:20, which is incredible, we’d kinda think “Well yeah, he’s a 7:17 guy.” Additionally, if you think in terms of racking up as many strong WRs (or even PBs) as possible, it makes sense that he’d target the mile now and save 3k/5k for later. It’s not unrealistic to think that by the end of the 2027 indoor season he could own the 1500, mile, 3k and 5k indoor records (and 2k if he so chooses).

Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:

John Wesley Harding wrote:

I don’t think I agree with your thinking. 5 seasons have come and gone and Kejelcha’s 3:47.01 is still the WR, so if Jakob can run, say, 3:45.80, I don’t see it as an especially precarious record. (At the WR-end, times remain significantly slower indoors for mid-distance, with Jakob being the only man under 3:31/1500 and only 3 sub-1:44i guys in history.)

Sure it might not be as “unbreakable” as the 3k record he could lay down, but I doubt that’s his #1 criteria in race selection. We all know he could break Girma’s 7:23.81, and even if he ran 7:20, which is incredible, we’d kinda think “Well yeah, he’s a 7:17 guy.” Additionally, if you think in terms of racking up as many strong WRs (or even PBs) as possible, it makes sense that he’d target the mile now and save 3k/5k for later. It’s not unrealistic to think that by the end of the 2027 indoor season he could own the 1500, mile, 3k and 5k indoor records (and 2k if he so chooses).

And I wouldn't underestimate just how insanely fast that Boston track is and hence how good that record is. That season (2019) he (YK) ran a ton of indoor 1500m races and dropped a 3.48.4 at Millrose which of course is almost certainly the worlds biggest indoor mile race and is a pretty fast surface in its own right. He then came back with the 3.47.0 on the trampoline at the RL which at the time was the 9th fastest mile ever run indoors or out.

So while I think Jakob can do it - I wouldn't say it's a) an absolute guarantee that he does and b) that it's a record is easily shot at. To run 3.46 and change - there is still only 11 men in history that have ever done it.

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

You guys very well might be right. The Kejelcha record has hung on. I guess my theory is that indoors is the most controllable of circumstances with guaranteed ideal conditions, no wind. America-based runners certainly can hit it well and we've seen the likes of Grant and Woody run extremely fast times, and others hit PBs like Kerr in the 3k last year. Nuguse of course ran his 2023 Millrose breakout mile with a sub-26 last lap. The time is good, but there will reasonably be the big 3 from this year who all believe in taking indoors seriously mixing in and out of the Wanamaker mile. If they "race it" too much and allow a 59-60 3rd 440 then this record could hang on for a while. If someone is willing to get them to 2:51, I see it going down soon. This kinda happened last year, but the pacer went just 750m, and Nuguse was left doing all the work and held back, running just under 30s until the last lap, Perhaps Jakob is the only guy willing to push the whole way and they'll never get a pacer who goes beyond 880. But I think Nuguse could be in 3:45-6 pretty commonly over the next few years and from there it becomes whether he goes after it or runs mostly to win like he has. And of course if they pay a little more for a pacer who can make it 5-6 laps.

Peach Pit wrote:

Can we start calling Jakob out for dodging the competition? The Wanamaker is one of the most prestigious mile races in the world every year, and the most prestigious during indoors. Kerr and Nuguse, two of the people who beat him in Paris are racing it literally 5 days before Jakob is racing a mile, and Nuguse has come within like .3s of the WR in each of the last 2 years. I expect it to go down with Kerr to compete against. Plus the third person who beat him in Paris, Hocker, is racing the 3k at Millrose.

There is clearly a meet with the best competition, and Jakob is clearly choosing not to race it. I love Jakob for always showing up at DLs, he's one of my favorite athletes, and I know Lievin always runs a great meet, but just because I love an athlete doesn't mean I won't call them out for dodging what could end up being one of the greatest indoor races in history. We could have seen the 2-3-4 from the Olympics all push each other under the mile WR on US soil at the biggest meet of the regular season on national TV.

Honestly the more I think about it, the more I think Jakob is actually afraid that he'd get outkicked and miss out on the WR. He thinks he can run faster on his own than Nuguse and Kerr can run off of each other, but he's not confident that Nuguse or Kerr wouldn't be able to latch onto him and outkick him. To be fair, he shouldn't be, but still, it comes off to be as some p*ssy a*s b*tch sh*t for someone who was calling out Kerr the other day for not contributing to WR racing.

Peach Pit wrote:

Can we start calling Jakob out for dodging the competition? The Wanamaker is one of the most prestigious mile races in the world every year, and the most prestigious during indoors. Kerr and Nuguse, two of the people who beat him in Paris are racing it literally 5 days before Jakob is racing a mile, and Nuguse has come within like .3s of the WR in each of the last 2 years. I expect it to go down with Kerr to compete against. Plus the third person who beat him in Paris, Hocker, is racing the 3k at Millrose.

There is clearly a meet with the best competition, and Jakob is clearly choosing not to race it. I love Jakob for always showing up at DLs, he's one of my favorite athletes, and I know Lievin always runs a great meet, but just because I love an athlete doesn't mean I won't call them out for dodging what could end up being one of the greatest indoor races in history. We could have seen the 2-3-4 from the Olympics all push each other under the mile WR on US soil at the biggest meet of the regular season on national TV.

Honestly the more I think about it, the more I think Jakob is actually afraid that he'd get outkicked and miss out on the WR. He thinks he can run faster on his own than Nuguse and Kerr can run off of each other, but he's not confident that Nuguse or Kerr wouldn't be able to latch onto him and outkick him. To be fair, he shouldn't be, but still, it comes off to be as some p*ssy a*s b*tch sh*t for someone who was calling out Kerr the other day for not contributing to WR racing.

Peach Pit wrote:

Can we start calling Jakob out for dodging the competition? The Wanamaker is one of the most prestigious mile races in the world every year, and the most prestigious during indoors. Kerr and Nuguse, two of the people who beat him in Paris are racing it literally 5 days before Jakob is racing a mile, and Nuguse has come within like .3s of the WR in each of the last 2 years. I expect it to go down with Kerr to compete against. Plus the third person who beat him in Paris, Hocker, is racing the 3k at Millrose.

There is clearly a meet with the best competition, and Jakob is clearly choosing not to race it. I love Jakob for always showing up at DLs, he's one of my favorite athletes, and I know Lievin always runs a great meet, but just because I love an athlete doesn't mean I won't call them out for dodging what could end up being one of the greatest indoor races in history. We could have seen the 2-3-4 from the Olympics all push each other under the mile WR on US soil at the biggest meet of the regular season on national TV.

Honestly the more I think about it, the more I think Jakob is actually afraid that he'd get outkicked and miss out on the WR. He thinks he can run faster on his own than Nuguse and Kerr can run off of each other, but he's not confident that Nuguse or Kerr wouldn't be able to latch onto him and outkick him. To be fair, he shouldn't be, but still, it comes off to be as some p*ssy a*s b*tch sh*t for someone who was calling out Kerr the other day for not contributing to WR racing.

2020420 wrote:

Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:

So what is interesting to me is that despite the murmurings of Jakob running a 5000m indoors (and there is definitely a thread about him going after the 12.49.60 of Bekele) as some kind of prep for stepping up outdoors and possible WR tilt seem totally off the mark.

Hard to imagine he runs another 1 day indoor meet this off season. He ran Lievin (and only Lievin) in 22,23, missed in 24 due to injury and is now back in 2025 - I think he has a multi-year contract to run this meet similar to what I know he has at Lausanne. Maybe he runs Euro indoors for training - hard to imagine he will go to China to run worlds.

8 DL 5000m races this season but I think it's a fair assumption Shaoxing and Doha are off the table. That leaves Oslo, Stockholm, Paris, Monaco, Lausanne and the final in Zurich. What is interesting is that neither two of his favorite venues, Monaco and Lausanne, don't have 1500m/miles as yet. Maybe a legit tilt happens there - though I have always been of the mind he needs a solid attempt at something in the low 12.40's before he's really ready.

One thing he doesn't need is practice going after the mile - 3.47.01 is still a very good record and it was run on the worlds fastest running surface in Boston, but he obviously still has the ability to break it.

Good post.

Prediction: 3:43.75 in Lievin. Yes I know it's likely too fast, I don't care, it's a prediction. Reasoning: 3:30.60 at this venue two years ago in an off year for him (only ran 3:29.0 that year), "all" he has to do is come through in ~3:28 high and hold it. I also suspect that Nuguse and Kerr will do battle and snipe the world record the week before, he'll want to really make a statement and take it back from them. We know from Almgren he is in very good form right now, no injuries, no excuses.