I saw Johny's 3:49 live. Went down to BU to watch Kejelcha go for the WR. I was so focused on YK during the race I didn't realize how much Johnny had gained on him in the last 400. It was a legit shock looking back and seeing Johnny on halfway down straightaway as Kejelcha finished.
When indoor tracks are deemed illegal, you can come back to this thread and gloat. Until then, Gregorek is a 3:49 miler.
There is no asterisk next to "indoor times" the way there would be in a downhill mile, for example.
It doesn’t matter. Anyone with an IQ above 120 can see the truth. Look at Kejelcha. He was NEVER a 3:47 miler except in some fantasy world. Just as Gregorek was never a 3:49 miler. It doesn’t matter what you think, or the other jokers.
To you it may not matter what us other jokers think. But in the world that deals with records, recognized times, etc., it does not matter what you think. He ran a 3:49 mile.
There is no pain. Gregorek was a very good runner. He just couldn’t reach the top tier. Very few can. He came close. 3:34 is pretty good.
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Johnny was a very good runner. He might be one of the top 100 middle distance runners in US history, as he ran 1:46.81 and 3:34.35. A very nice career.
It doesn’t matter. Anyone with an IQ above 120 can see the truth. Look at Kejelcha. He was NEVER a 3:47 miler except in some fantasy world. Just as Gregorek was never a 3:49 miler. It doesn’t matter what you think, or the other jokers.
To you it may not matter what us other jokers think. But in the world that deals with records, recognized times, etc., it does not matter what you think. He ran a 3:49 mile.
OK but why could he not ever run even close to that kind of performance anywhere else? It is because of that track. This happens over and over again. It is not a coincidence. That track has led to people like Galen Rupp, who was not a very good miler, running 3:50.92, and yet Rupp couldn’t touch that on any other track. Same with Kejelcha. Over and over. Should we just pretend to be stupid?
To you it may not matter what us other jokers think. But in the world that deals with records, recognized times, etc., it does not matter what you think. He ran a 3:49 mile.
OK but why could he not ever run even close to that kind of performance anywhere else? It is because of that track. This happens over and over again. It is not a coincidence. That track has led to people like Galen Rupp, who was not a very good miler, running 3:50.92, and yet Rupp couldn’t touch that on any other track. Same with Kejelcha. Over and over. Should we just pretend to be stupid?
We could pretend to be stupid, but it would be in vain because you've set such a high standard
OK but why could he not ever run even close to that kind of performance anywhere else?
Here's the funny thing about career PRs: they're always, by definition, the fastest that person ever ran. If they ran faster in another race, the other time would be their PR. Some people have a cluster of times close to their career PR; others have one performance that's well ahead of anything else they ever managed. My lifetime 1,500 PR (and I ran a huge number of them) is 1.2 seconds faster than my second-fastest time, which isn't that different from Gregorek's gap. I didn't run mine on a magic track or downhill or anything; it was just a great day at the end of a great training cycle, and I never managed to scale those heights again (even though I tried for another six years).
We all know BU is fast. So is Monaco. So are well-rabbited races. So is WaveLight. So are the new spikes. You don't get to pick and choose which times "count" and which don't.
Johnny was a very good runner. He might be one of the top 100 middle distance runners in US history, as he ran 1:46.81 and 3:34.35. A very nice career.
Alexander Pope would call what you just did "damning with faint praise."
You are disrespecting someone when you say, all their efforts (and 3:49 mile) are "a very nice career" because we know why you phrased it that way.
We all know BU is fast. So is Monaco. So are well-rabbited races. So is WaveLight. So are the new spikes. You don't get to pick and choose which times "count" and which don't.
Johnny was a very good runner. He might be one of the top 100 middle distance runners in US history, as he ran 1:46.81 and 3:34.35. A very nice career.
To you it may not matter what us other jokers think. But in the world that deals with records, recognized times, etc., it does not matter what you think. He ran a 3:49 mile.
OK but why could he not ever run even close to that kind of performance anywhere else? It is because of that track. This happens over and over again. It is not a coincidence. That track has led to people like Galen Rupp, who was not a very good miler, running 3:50.92, and yet Rupp couldn’t touch that on any other track. Same with Kejelcha. Over and over. Should we just pretend to be stupid?
Why not? Who knows? It doesn't matter. He ran a mile in 3:49. There will be people running times in super shoes that they couldn't run without them on tracks that consistently yield faster times than other ones do.. Doesn't matter. They've run those times for whatever distance.That's all any of us jokers are saying. Should we all just pretend to be stupid? I don't know. Maybe you could let us all know how you like doing it.
Johnny was a very good runner. He might be one of the top 100 middle distance runners in US history, as he ran 1:46.81 and 3:34.35. A very nice career.
Alexander Pope would call what you just did "damning with faint praise."
You are disrespecting someone when you say, all their efforts (and 3:49 mile) are "a very nice career" because we know why you phrased it that way.
OK so Johnny Gregorek was the greatest middle distance runner in US history. The GOAT of US middle distance running. To say he had a nice career is to insult him. GOAT is the only acronym, the only phrase, that could possibly due justice to his greatness, but it falls short somehow. I have no words to do justice to his career.
Johnny is a great competitor and even better human. Cheers to Johnny on a great career.
Any negativity in this thread is a great example of how toxic the LetsRun community can be at its worst. Not sure how anyone could follow Johnny's career and not root for him.