An athlete caught doping should be banned for life and stripped of all titles and medals.
Really? I think that all sports have this same problem. So why is it that only running is unable to accept that (most) people who get banned will eventually come back?
I fully accept that people like Lance Armstrong who lied 500 times, sued the people who told the truth, and ruined people's lives should be banned for life. I get that. But what about the young guy whose manager or coach pressures him to "try it" after an injury, gets popped, admits it, does his time and moves on?
Are all doping cases the same to you? I think there is a reason we have "degrees" of punishment for crimes. Crimes are not all the same - 1st degree murder is worse than manslaughter.
Isn't it the same with doping?
I think the key in your argument is admission of guilt. I feel like a liar who just did time because everyone else knew their guilt didn't learn anything and it feels like a pyrrhic victory.
That's why Lance going down forever feels more satisfying.
Disagree, an athlete caught doping should be banned for life and stripped of all titles and medals. At this point I don’t even know why an elite athlete, particularly if they’re on the bubble for making teams/ medaling, wouldn’t cheat. You probably won’t ever get caught, and even if you do, you still keep all the money you made and can just get a real job after a minor punishment and some hate on Instagram. Honestly, you can just skip tests and make up a ridiculous excuse for why and never face any consequences.
you should really listen to her talk about what it's been like after getting busted. she went from being a pro athlete with Nike paying her bills to being flat broke, having to move back in with her parents and drive an Uber to make money. not to mention years of embarrassment and shame. what she went thru should scare the sh!t out of any runner considering doping. she's a cautionary tale.
Yes, a cautionary tale about cheaters getting what they deserve.
Shelby back! Can't wait to see this talented athlete back in action. All the haters will be seething 🙂
Shelby will be 32 on February 8th. Her best days as a track athlete are now behind her. She has absolutely no chance now of being a global medalist. That is the price she has paid as an athlete. Shelby might be able to make a World Championship team but she will not make an Olympic team, as she will be too old.
If she runs 14:20s again, we can all agree she's still doping?
That is a goofy view. Criminals are the best liars. Mass murderers many times live a complete lie. Does it really make you feel better if they tell you what you want to hear when you know they always lie? You don't know what is in theor heart and you don't know what is a lie.
What if Shelby is innocent? Would you feel better if she had lied akd said she was guilty in order to get a year less?
An athlete caught doping should be banned for life and stripped of all titles and medals.
Really? I think that all sports have this same problem. So why is it that only running is unable to accept that (most) people who get banned will eventually come back?
I fully accept that people like Lance Armstrong who lied 500 times, sued the people who told the truth, and ruined people's lives should be banned for life. I get that. But what about the young guy whose manager or coach pressures him to "try it" after an injury, gets popped, admits it, does his time and moves on?
Are all doping cases the same to you? I think there is a reason we have "degrees" of punishment for crimes. Crimes are not all the same - 1st degree murder is worse than manslaughter.
Isn't it the same with doping?
Lance may have lied 500 times but eventually came clean.
Shelby lied five hundred times and is still lying. She is more deserving of a lifetime ban than Lance.
But I agree with PP. They both deserve a lifetime ban.
According to she was back on the Nike Campus today working out. Her “training restrictions end Thursday” and she can do her “next workout with anyone.” Does this mean she’s still with/has always been with Nike? Will she return to BTC? Would her returning causes others to leave again? Other thoughts?
If you falsify your timecard next Friday by saying you worked 8 hours even though you left early, you won't get a lifetime ban from being an accountant. If you steal a stapler and get caught, you won't get a lifetime ban. Everything in life has rules and consequences. You want a lifetime ban for doping. That would significantly decrease the amount of doping. But that is not the rule. Your opinion that a lifetime ban should be applied when that is not the rule, is a terrible take. Do you realize that youvare advocating for not following the rules? You are the ultimate in rule breaking.
A burrito? Really? Was it pausible? And how come so many in running media came to her defense?
Shelby's ban revealed the extreme bias running media has towards their faves. Their white american faves. That they will do anything to provide cover for someone they like. And that's pretty unsettling.
But a ban is a ban. Shelby had to serve it. To those who are saying she served her time, I get it. But remember, Shelby has claimed the whole time and will continue to claim she's innocent with no evidence proving she is.
I don’t mean any disrespect to Shelby Houlihan as an athlete, but was she really anyone’s ‘fave’?
She ran some great times, along with others on her team, but I don’t recall her being very popular on this forum or social media.
She has 52k followers on IG. There are college/recent pros who have 2-4x as many as she does.
My point is: I don’t think many people are willing to accept that she served her time because she was anyone’s fave. I think it’s simply down to her sentence being over.
For me, after seeing a woman run a 2:11 and another run a 2:09, I just don’t really care anymore.
But those are the rules. Are you assuming she doped in 4th grade? How about 7th grade? You struggle with facts. She complied with the testing rules. She passed over and over again.
But those are the rules. Are you assuming she doped in 4th grade? How about 7th grade? You struggle with facts. She complied with the testing rules. She passed over and over again.
Yes. I am assuming exactly that.
Shelby Houlihan is a liar and a cheater and a fraud.
She always has been a liar and a cheater and a fraud. She always will be a liar and a cheater and a fraud.
Shelby back! Can't wait to see this talented athlete back in action. All the haters will be seething 🙂
Shelby will be 32 on February 8th. Her best days as a track athlete are now behind her. She has absolutely no chance now of being a global medalist. That is the price she has paid as an athlete. Shelby might be able to make a World Championship team but she will not make an Olympic team, as she will be too old.
W35 RECORDS. YES, at 32-36 she can be competitive at an elite level and run faster than some of these times.
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