CTmdrunner47 wrote:
Joe Ewing decided to start his cooldown at 7k it seems
Go easy on the guy, I’m sure he feels badly enough as it is - just a bad time to have a rough race, but it’s happened to all of us.
Princeton puts 12 ahead of Harvard's 5th at Ivy XC Heps, Harvard's winless streak extends to 1972
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ginni coefficient wrote:
Fewer Spots? wrote:
Rojo, why would Harvard have fewer spots than Princeton? Honest question. My experience has been that Harvard's training usually is much more boom-or-bust than Princeton's: their top athletes reach higher peaks, but they also lose a lot more distance runners to injury and burnout. I would think this is a larger cause of their annual poor depth at Heps than "fewer spots."
Really? I thought it was because this race was a preview of Future D-Bags of American 1%.
Waahhhhh, jealous much? 😄
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what happened to Ferenc Kovacs?
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I am curious wrote:
rojo wrote:
See the posts about the AD. But when I was coaching at Cornell, it absolutely drove me nuts to hear the schools at the HYPe complain about their recruiting problems.
I think your post about the training is interesting as well. Another Ivy coach actually said that to me last week - they thought there is more variance with the Gibby training. He works them hard so if they hit they hit big but higher risk for injury.
On the men’s side, just wondering who are Gibby’s big “hits” with the exception of Graham of course.
- Kieran Tuntivate
- Acer Iverson
- Matthew Pereira
are the other male Gibby all americans in recent years
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gibbbbbb wrote:
I am curious wrote:
On the men’s side, just wondering who are Gibby’s big “hits” with the exception of Graham of course.
- Kieran Tuntivate
- Acer Iverson
- Matthew Pereira
are the other male Gibby all americans in recent years
During that same time period, what all Americans has Vig produced at Princeton?
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Rodman, Trippas, Bendtsen
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I’m reading through all of the comments and then it hit me - see title! Peace out, losers!
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not the numbers wrote:
Rodman, Trippas, Bendtsen
yep, hard to say Gibby’s athletes have a much higher ceiling than Vig given comparable All-Americans and Olympians in recent years.
anyways, harvard likely won’t see a title for a long while if they can’t do it now with Blanks and Rosa
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kinda creepy and sad how you lot have some much knowledge and time to waste over kids races. most brits really couldnt care less about the NCAA and are more bothered about saving themselves for the Euro XC trial at liverpool. we only go to america for a jolly and free holiday as your uni courses are so easy and in England, we rack up huge debt to go uni
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Road Guy wrote:
Admission slots for the Ivy schools are carefully negotiated. There is a league maximum for the total across all sports, and then some schools choose to be under that. Once the total is decided, the AD doles them out to the various sports as they deem fit.
Each school also has an Academic Index to meet on average across all teams. The AD sets a score for each team to ensure their programs hit the average. In general, track will carry hoops, and distance will carry track. This is more extreme for some schools than others.
Harvard definitely seems to be on the low side of the number of slots, but they also seem to be the school where a letter of recommendation for a non-slotted athlete helps the most--especially if the student athlete is legacy.
This is a decade plus back, but my son was recruited by Harvard, Yale, & Princeton. At the time, Princeton had a lot of spots, and the coach offered quickly, without an admissions pre-read (He had max grades/test scores, lots of AP's with 5's). Harvard had fewer spots, but offered contingent on the pre-read, which they assured him would go OK (it did). Yale had the fewest spots, and could only offer after the pre-read and contingent on a complicated balancing of the XC/T&F class.
Coaching matters, culture matters, resources matter, but recruiting has never been an even playing field for HYP, and you can see that in the results.
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Golden State wrote:
Road Guy wrote:
Admission slots for the Ivy schools are carefully negotiated. There is a league maximum for the total across all sports, and then some schools choose to be under that. Once the total is decided, the AD doles them out to the various sports as they deem fit.
Each school also has an Academic Index to meet on average across all teams. The AD sets a score for each team to ensure their programs hit the average. In general, track will carry hoops, and distance will carry track. This is more extreme for some schools than others.
Harvard definitely seems to be on the low side of the number of slots, but they also seem to be the school where a letter of recommendation for a non-slotted athlete helps the most--especially if the student athlete is legacy.
This is a decade plus back, but my son was recruited by Harvard, Yale, & Princeton. At the time, Princeton had a lot of spots, and the coach offered quickly, without an admissions pre-read (He had max grades/test scores, lots of AP's with 5's). Harvard had fewer spots, but offered contingent on the pre-read, which they assured him would go OK (it did). Yale had the fewest spots, and could only offer after the pre-read and contingent on a complicated balancing of the XC/T&F class.
Coaching matters, culture matters, resources matter, but recruiting has never been an even playing field for HYP, and you can see that in the results.
Confirms what I knew that Yale is playing the game with its hands tied behind it's back. Right now the best we could honestly hope for is 3rd. That goes for every other team in the conference.
I wonder what sports Princeton neglects. Hockey probably gets more spots at Yale.
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wejo wrote:
Confirms what I knew that Yale is playing the game with its hands tied behind it's back. Right now the best we could honestly hope for is 3rd. That goes for every other team in the conference.
This is cope. Go count the men listed on each school's roster. Harvard has the fewest with 17. Princeton has 22. Yale has the MOST, with 29 men on roster.
Also, need I remind people that the team that won most recently aside from Princeton wasn't Harvard? It was Penn, in 2019. And they won in 2016 too. And Columbia was 2nd in 2017. The idea that Princeton and Harvard just have so many advantages that every other school in the league might as well roll over and give up is really discrediting to the hard work done by the athletes and coaches.
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Road Guy wrote:
Admission slots for the Ivy schools are carefully negotiated. There is a league maximum for the total across all sports, and then some schools choose to be under that. Once the total is decided, the AD doles them out to the various sports as they deem fit.
Each school also has an Academic Index to meet on average across all teams. The AD sets a score for each team to ensure their programs hit the average. In general, track will carry hoops, and distance will carry track. This is more extreme for some schools than others.
Harvard definitely seems to be on the low side of the number of slots, but they also seem to be the school where a letter of recommendation for a non-slotted athlete helps the most--especially if the student athlete is legacy.
FYI - Harvard has 42 varsity sports across both genders, which is reportedly the most for any D1 school in the nation. Princeton has 37.
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