Left and Right - can we just agree..?

I also would genuinely like to know why Harris would be considered a candidate of the lowest caliber. Not trying to pick a fight, but your thread seems to be aiming to find commonality across political divides. Isn’t explaining your perspective part of that?

There have been events in human history when literally most humans in large geographic areas perished. I'm not sure something being "not without precedent" is comforting.

Nope! Kamala Harris is a good candidate, and she will be a good President. Anyone who was the Attorney General of California, a US Senator, and the Vice President, has the job experience necessary.

She will have a harder time winning re-election though than she will THIS election. We're not in a recession now, but we COULD be 4 years from now since we haven't had one in a little while (not counting the shallow pandemic one we had during Trump's term). Also, 2028 will be a change election, so if the Rs actually put up someone who isn't a serial-lying, criminal moron, AND they change their image a bit, they could win.

Regarding THIS election Harris will win. It's over.

For one, she admitted that she sucked her way to the top. Need more?

Dozens of former Trump colleagues have spoken out against him, and their party, risking their careers and reputations in the process.

Not a single former Harris colleague has spoken out against her.

There is your answer, folks.

This strikes me as a completely accurate summary. I'm liberal but grew up in rural Iowa. The Republicans I know personally are decent enough folks with a few terrible people - it's the same on the Democrat side.

My main concern is with Trump, not necessarily his supporters (although I do wish that more would self reflect on their motivations for voting Trump). Most Democrats I know feel similarly.

It's shame most on this thread seemingly and realize /acknowledge that.

You should read the book "Who Wants to Run?". Political Office is just not the desirable job it once was- no way in hell would I subject myself to it.

But as candidates, Harris is more of a B- and Trump is a D+

She had a consensual relationship with Willie Brown. She was also elected AG of California and earned everything on her own merit.

You’ve clearly never heard her talk.

I just took a look at my spam texts and it's more of the same. "Ruin chuck shumer's day by donating $4 to ted Cruz right now!!!". None of the democrat ones use anger at third parties to collect money, the GOP has made a lot of money off a weird minority of people's desire to "own the libs"

Kamala Harris is not remotely in the same category as trump. You dont have to like her but she will surround herself with the best and those are the people who really make the decisions. Trump is a felon who everyone who has ever worked him now hates him and worries about him. Harris is VP and you don like her for reasons im sure i can guess.

Exactly. There is certainly nothing to suggest that she is great. But to try to lump Harris and Trump together as both "terrible candidates of the lowest caliber" is the age old conservative tactic of knowing the republican candidate is awful and trying to give republicans a chance at victory by making people think the Democrat is just as bad. Notice how Democrats literally never have to try to make this claim, because they are never in a position of having the worse candidate.

Trump is 1000x times worse than any candidate Democrats or Republicans have ever put up. That's the one thing everyone should be able to agree on.

So to fix "BeRational's" claim, it'd be more like, can we all agree Harris is a mediocre candidate and Trump is an outright abomination. Yes, to that, every sane and unbiased person can agree. We have one normal typical politician candidate, love her or hate her or be fairly ambivalent toward her, she's a regular person and a typical politician. And then we have one pathologically lying, entirely amoral or immoral, wholly corrupt, deranged, self-obsessed entirely incompetent megalomaniac bigot and idiot, whose only focus is his own ego, who looks down on free nations and loves dictators, thinks people should be free or in prison based on what politicians or party they support, careens from weekly scandal to weekly scandal, careens from daily blunder to daily blunder, spends most of his time insulting others and praising himself for things he never did, doesn't give a damn about the nation or our laws or our government institutions or our constitution and absolutely hates democracy. So yeah, only one of those is a terrible candidate of the lowest caliber, and it's a sad and damning indictment of human intelligence that half the country thinks it's the other person or thinks these two people are the same.

oh I forgot to add "criminal" in my description of Trump, considering he is a convicted felon and if he doesn't win this election and corruptly shut down his trials he is definitely gonna be rotting in prison for the rest of his life for his heinous crimes against the nation.

To start a request for common ground with such an absurd proposition is an act of bad faith that epitomizes the dilemma you claim to want to transcend. It's like the rapist saying "I think we can both agree that there will be unpleasant outcomes for each of us when I am through with you." Donald Trump is a foolish, evil, narcissist, convicted criminal.

I supported DeSantis in the primary. He is the best conservative politician since Reagan.

He lost. So I will back the GOP nominee.

I like Trump's team of Musk, RFK, JD and Tulsi. I feel like these people will take us in a positive direction.

The open borders party is not an option. Kamala and the other DEI communists would be the final nail in the coffin for the USA.

Serious Answer-

Clearly, not the ideal Presidential ticket, which has created a HUGE divide in our country. If we can set aside the "personal" dislikes of each candidate and solely look at job performance the answer is a bit clearer.

The Democrats (Kamala/Joe) have been running the country the past 3+ years. Can we all honestly say that the country is in a better place than the previous 4 years with Trump? Key determining factors include overall economic health (not just the past 6 months, but the past 3 years combined which include the cost of goods and energy, foreign policy (Israel, Middle East, and China) and national security (border integrity and crime).

To answer the OP, "what has Kamala done to make her terrible", she's done NOTHING! That is the answer, you can't be labeled as "terrible" if you've simply NOT done your job to begin with. She's been a ghost VP that has not made any credible decision to improve and or make our country better. She literally campaigns on the premise of empty promises of free money for all, which include undocumented foreigners who are not legal tax paying citizens, free college tuition, down payments for houses, childcare, etc... Which are all great to have, but who is going to pay for it? In addition, she has no plan on how to achieve this and the impact it will have on our economy. A lot of talk with little substance and no experience or background to execute. At least with Trump, he's been there and done that, and is not a career politician who has ZERO leadership experience and is obviously a puppet for the Democratic party and will bend for extreme left policies.

Put up a better alternative than Harris, someone who can lead, has a plan and isn't afraid to make hard decisions and return America to being a world leader, and you have my vote.

I agree. Unfortunately, it is pretty much a 2 party system. It is a choice between the lesser of two evils.

Disagree.

Trump isn't just a bad candidate, he's a threat to our way of government. "Vote for me and you'll never have to vote again." "We should use the military against the enemy within." Nobody who says these things should even be considered a viable candidate.

I am historically a right-leaning voter. Trump is running on fear-mongering, racism, and bigotry. Harris is a moderate candidate who is running on moderate policies. How is this a choice of "the lesser of two evils"?

A resounding yes.