tell that to guys like eddie mendoza, 2:10. yeah he was good but...2:13 best on other courses
or kempaninen... etc...etc...lots of guys have PRd big time on boston
come on the course is DOWNHILL... if you run it SMART it is one of the fastest courses in the USA.. of course if you run it stupidly you will pay big time
Boston is a fast course when the weather is nice like today. The weather was very similar in 1996 when I ran my 2nd fastest marathon (out of over 40 marathons) at Boston. Your legs will take a beating but you don't have to deal with the muscle soreness until after the race.
true..and it is indeed a course where an early mistake can be VERY painful and impossible to recover from
If you eliminate KK i believe 5 of the 6 fastest american times ever have been at beantown.
Braavo Furgi wrote:
Bottom Line... The Group/Team concept works... They allow college grads to continue running. With smart training we (the U.S.) can get to the top. I stopped serious training after college. I wanted to eat and live for a change... I wish the current new wave of groups had been around 30 years ago...
Training in a group works. Training by oneself works. The common tie is: TRAINING works. Training has nothing to do with what you see on this message board day-in and day-out, which is "how do I train for the marathon on 50 miles a week." There are no shortcuts.
Trent ran 2:20, but if you look at his splits, he ran perfectly even the whole way. Obviously his training isn't where it needed to be to be counted in a 'not running as fast as before' blanket statement. He'll be back.
By the way, what did he and Sell and Clint run in college?
That info's in their bios on the Hansons site.
Has anyone on here ever heard anything of the Hanson brothers as being somewhat of ruthless. Like one bad race and your sponsership (if you have on) is gone or not allowed to train with the team type of thing? Also does anyone know if any of their runners keep a training log online? I cannot find a link on their website to it.
never mind i have found the logs on their site...
The very best runners in the world weren't there. The very best will be in london.
Hanson Q wrote:
one bad race and your sponsership
"sponsorship"
(if you have on)
"one"
The Hansons' logs are on athleticore. You have to be registered user to view.
How many elite/sub-elite training groups are there?
Farm Team
Hansons
Nike Oregon Project
Zap Fitness
Brad Hudson's group in Boulder
What others?
[quote]meso wrote:
They did put 7 guys in the top 22 at Boston but that doesn't tell it all. Normally that would be a great accomplishment but many dropped out this year due to the suicidal pace.
I know a Hanson's guy; they didn't "Drop out do to a suicidal pace", they planned on not finishing well before the race even started. No biggie, just understand that things aren't always as they appear.
Team California
Big Sur Distance Project
Team Minnesota
meso wrote:
They had 2 guys run personal best and the other 5 ran slower than their best.
Not correct, they had 4 runners set PR's yesterday: Brian, Clint, Luke and Kyle all ran PR's. An outstanding team performance!
Here\'s what Hansons have done in the MONTH OF APRIL \'06 alone...
-Josh Moen - 28:40 10,000m - PR by 30 seconds?
-Jeff Gaudette - 28:58 10,000m - PR by a minute?
-Chad Johnson and Eberly go 1-2 at Shamrock Shuffle 8k and both beat KK
-Sell - 4th at Boston - 2:10ish - over 2 minute PR
-Verran - marathon PR
-Humphrey - marathon PR
-O\'Brien - marathon PR
What\'s to argue about?
But they run too many miles, don't do enough short speedwork, don't do enough workouts, run in the Michigan winters, blah blah blah.
Sell's avg mileage from Jan 30th to April 2 was around 150 workouts like 2x4, 3x3, 2x5, 2x6 all at 4:45-5:00. Smoking.
Alan