Good for these guys. The drug testing should be pretty benign if there is even any at all. A good chance to load up and run some ridiculous times with no consequences. Maybe Hiltz can be the first person in the female category to break 4 in the mile.
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Huh. Little strange from Fisher who's strongest event is arguably the 10 and who benefited from racing pretty infrequently this year but good to see the dude get paid.
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blahblahblah3 wrote:
Huh. Little strange from Fisher who's strongest event is arguably the 10 and who benefited from racing pretty infrequently this year but good to see the dude get paid.
American record holder in 3,000 m and 2 mile indoor.
American Record holder in 5,000 m and road 5km, and will be again in 5,000 m indoor.
American Record holder in 10,000 m
In Grand Slam he will race 3 and 5,000 m
Why are you confused?
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Apologize if this has been covered but will they fill out lanes and fields with other athletes not signed to GST? it’s great watching the best of the best but a 3 man field in the 5000 seems kind of lame.
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thought it was dennys sponsorship what the hell man.
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Too bad about the doubling. Don’t get Yared vs Fisher over 3000
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triplethreshold wrote:
Apologize if this has been covered but will they fill out lanes and fields with other athletes not signed to GST? it’s great watching the best of the best but a 3 man field in the 5000 seems kind of lame.
4 racers vs 4 challengers so 8 total. In the US that’d be the likes of Nico Young, Cooper Teare, Adrian Wildschuut or Abdi Nur. In Europe maybe guys like Isaac Kimeli or Jimmy Gressier. Still a pretty small field. Kwemoi is interesting to me, his health is always a huge question mark. I feel like Jacob Krop or Telahun Haile Bekele might be safer picks. Assuming Hagos/Yomif/Barega/Aregawi might be more interested in the roads so you gotta target guys not doing a ton of that.
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THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
triplethreshold wrote:
Apologize if this has been covered but will they fill out lanes and fields with other athletes not signed to GST? it’s great watching the best of the best but a 3 man field in the 5000 seems kind of lame.
4 racers vs 4 challengers so 8 total. In the US that’d be the likes of Nico Young, Cooper Teare, Adrian Wildschuut or Abdi Nur. In Europe maybe guys like Isaac Kimeli or Jimmy Gressier. Still a pretty small field. Kwemoi is interesting to me, his health is always a huge question mark. I feel like Jacob Krop or Telahun Haile Bekele might be safer picks. Assuming Hagos/Yomif/Barega/Aregawi might be more interested in the roads so you gotta target guys not doing a ton of that.
Thanks, I appreciate it!
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Short Hand wrote:
American record holder in 3,000 m and 2 mile indoor.
American Record holder in 5,000 m and road 5km, and will be again in 5,000 m indoor.
American Record holder in 10,000 m
In Grand Slam he will race 3 and 5,000 m
Why are you confused?
Yes. He is the best American 3k-10K runner ever. That was not my point.
My point is he has consistently finished much better in global competitive 10K's than 5K's or 3K's.
He was 5th in the 10 and 9th in the 5 in Tokyo
He was 4th in the 10 and 6th in the 5 in Eugene
He was 3rd in the 10 and 3rd in the 5 in Paris, but look at the fields. The 10K field was inarguably more of a world class field.
This regular season, he jogged and demolished an elite field at The TEN, before taking 5th in a mediocre field at the LA Grand Prix 5K, and losing to Lobalu in the London 3K.
He is world-class in all distances. He is much better at the 10 than he is at the 3 or 5.
In hindsight, the TEN is probably early enough to not interfere with GST, which means he will probably still race the 10, he's not gonna race more than 1 before the Trials/US Champs anyways......
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I think having them run two races in the same meet is a mistake and an injury risk.
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I was hoping Fisher would move to the marathon. I feel like now is the time. This just delays it. Makes me think that we’re never going to have a truly elite marathon or that can compete with 2:01 and 2:02 guys.
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AUG20 wrote:
It is just ridiculous that there is still not dates or sites known for these meets yet
They're still looking for a place where fans will come out to watch track and field 3 days in a row. Might want to try 1 day first.
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THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
triplethreshold wrote:
Apologize if this has been covered but will they fill out lanes and fields with other athletes not signed to GST? it’s great watching the best of the best but a 3 man field in the 5000 seems kind of lame.
4 racers vs 4 challengers so 8 total. In the US that’d be the likes of Nico Young, Cooper Teare, Adrian Wildschuut or Abdi Nur. In Europe maybe guys like Isaac Kimeli or Jimmy Gressier. Still a pretty small field. Kwemoi is interesting to me, his health is always a huge question mark. I feel like Jacob Krop or Telahun Haile Bekele might be safer picks. Assuming Hagos/Yomif/Barega/Aregawi might be more interested in the roads so you gotta target guys not doing a ton of that.
48 athletes will be named to the league as Grand Slam Track™ Racers. Nikki Hiltz, Grant Fisher, and Ronald Kwemoi join a stacked roster of talents announced so far in Sydney McLaughlin-Levrone, Melissa Jefferson, Masai Russell, Quincy Hall, Fred Kerley, Kenny Bednarek, Cole Hocker, Yared Nuguse, Josh Kerr, Matthew Hudson-Smith, Cyrena Samba-Mayela, Jasmine Camacho-Quinn, Alison Dos Santos, Muzala Samukonga, and Clement Ducos.
Women
Jasmine Camacho-Quinn
Masai Russell
Cyrena Samba-Mayela
Sydney McLaughlin-Levrone
Melissa Jefferson
Nikki Hiltz
Men
Clement Ducos
Alison Dos Santos
Matthew Hudson-Smith
Muzala Samukonga
Fred Kerley
Kenny Bednarek
Quincy Hall
Grant Fisher
Cole Hocker
Yared Nuguse
Josh Kerr
Ronald Kwemoi
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blahblahblah3 wrote:
Short Hand wrote:
American record holder in 3,000 m and 2 mile indoor.
American Record holder in 5,000 m and road 5km, and will be again in 5,000 m indoor.
American Record holder in 10,000 m
In Grand Slam he will race 3 and 5,000 m
Why are you confused?
Yes. He is the best American 3k-10K runner ever. That was not my point.
My point is he has consistently finished much better in global competitive 10K's than 5K's or 3K's.
He was 5th in the 10 and 9th in the 5 in Tokyo
He was 4th in the 10 and 6th in the 5 in Eugene
He was 3rd in the 10 and 3rd in the 5 in Paris, but look at the fields. The 10K field was inarguably more of a world class field.
This regular season, he jogged and demolished an elite field at The TEN, before taking 5th in a mediocre field at the LA Grand Prix 5K, and losing to Lobalu in the London 3K.
He is world-class in all distances. He is much better at the 10 than he is at the 3 or 5.
In hindsight, the TEN is probably early enough to not interfere with GST, which means he will probably still race the 10, he's not gonna race more than 1 before the Trials/US Champs anyways......
The 10,000 m distance is not run often on the track.
Outside of “the 10” held in the USA and it most recently being used as a means to gain a qualifying time, the other opportunities are at majors (Worlds and Olympics).
the London 3,000 m he said he had flown in and raced as a tune up then went directly to altitude in Switzerland. Jet lag very well would have contributed to him feeling and saying his legs didn’t have and change-over or pop - whatever he said it was something along those lines.
If you believe, like I do, that majors have excellent drug testing and keeping samples from said events for long periods afterwards for additional testing as testing methods improve is a deterrent to dopers then it is pretty simple to realize that is why Grant has had great success in the 10,000 m. If you also look to his success at majors in the 5,000 m he also has great success at majors even off of doubling which no athlete did/made both finals in Paris. His “success” at Diamond league, place wise, has been very good on paper but when one looks at time/place differentials often the winners are substantially ahead. Rightly or wrongly, I believe that has to do with Diamond League’s selective testing many of the athletes they feel are not suspect dopers in order to save their events reputation and open the flood gates to fast times. Yes Grant has run fast at DL and set American records there but he has been a ways back except when he broke the US 5,000m record and that was a two man race with Krop pulling away with ease down the final stretch. When Grant set those US records in DL races he was tested in order to ratify the records.
Thats my rant and I am sticking to it.
Back to your point and mine on the 10,000 m and to add: Why would Grant run “the 10” if he already has the WC qualifying time from his Olympic performance? Given the Grand Slam commitments and probably others - why would he? I hope to see him run a road race or a cross country race if it makes sense for him, and have a great WC in Tokyo.
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Short Hand wrote:
The 10,000 m distance is not run often on the track.
Outside of “the 10” held in the USA and it most recently being used as a means to gain a qualifying time, the other opportunities are at majors (Worlds and Olympics).
the London 3,000 m he said he had flown in and raced as a tune up then went directly to altitude in Switzerland. Jet lag very well would have contributed to him feeling and saying his legs didn’t have and change-over or pop - whatever he said it was something along those lines.
If you believe, like I do, that majors have excellent drug testing and keeping samples from said events for long periods afterwards for additional testing as testing methods improve is a deterrent to dopers then it is pretty simple to realize that is why Grant has had great success in the 10,000 m. If you also look to his success at majors in the 5,000 m he also has great success at majors even off of doubling which no athlete did/made both finals in Paris. His “success” at Diamond league, place wise, has been very good on paper but when one looks at time/place differentials often the winners are substantially ahead. Rightly or wrongly, I believe that has to do with Diamond League’s selective testing many of the athletes they feel are not suspect dopers in order to save their events reputation and open the flood gates to fast times. Yes Grant has run fast at DL and set American records there but he has been a ways back except when he broke the US 5,000m record and that was a two man race with Krop pulling away with ease down the final stretch. When Grant set those US records in DL races he was tested in order to ratify the records.
Thats my rant and I am sticking to it.
Back to your point and mine on the 10,000 m and to add: Why would Grant run “the 10” if he already has the WC qualifying time from his Olympic performance? Given the Grand Slam commitments and probably others - why would he? I hope to see him run a road race or a cross country race if it makes sense for him, and have a great WC in Tokyo.
That guy is definitely making stuff up. Grant has no reason to mess with The Ten unless they gave him some huge appearance fee (they won't) or he needed a Q time (he doesn't).
Last year's 10K final freed him up to do GST. I'd agree in the balls-to-the-wall DL races he gets left behind by the top Ethiopians. That being said, this format (unpaced) and current lack of the absolute top-end in time-trialing (Gebrhiwet, Aregawi, Barega, Jakob, Kejelcha) should allow him to be very competitive. Even if they do get the absolute best guys, tactically some of those guys are suspect and Grant will have a shot at 2nd or 3rd and maybe even the occasional win. As it stands, I'd favor him over Kwemoi in most scenarios excepting a glacially slow 3,000.70 -
Flayed Catt wrote:
Nicki Hiltz!!!!!!!!!!
Wont be watching that then
You're a loser. Other people's choices that have no bearing on you whatsoever and you have a problem with it?
We need less of you in this world.
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BOPA wrote:
I was hoping Fisher would move to the marathon. I feel like now is the time. This just delays it. Makes me think that we’re never going to have a truly elite marathon or that can compete with 2:01 and 2:02 guys.
Yeah I hear you. But at the end of the day he (and everyone else) are going to go where they can get paid the most and that's clearly still on the track. Wonder how much difference there is in pay between Mantz and Fisher.
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