Another 8 Kenyans busted

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I normally just lurk on the threads but to see a response be DFR and be downvoted as if they were wrong or hating is bizarre.

I am also not speculating. This is actually what is happening. Source: TRUST ME!!

How many times have you visited Kenya?

What do you actually think is 'transparent'?

ADAK is corrupt AF.

There are 'corruption free zone' signs everywhere you go for optics.

I don't claim "again and again that doping doesn't aid performance". You always claim that for me. I simply ask for specific and relevant facts and evidence.

For example, let's take the case of the "World Half Marathon champ (sic) Kipkoech". She ran that World Championship and also set her Personal Best in the year 2012. Now in 2024, 12 years later, she is busted for some obscure glucocorticoid (and apparently hasn't even raced in the last 5 years?). Shall we conclude that doping with "deflazacort" in 2024 is so powerful, it can rewrite ancient history?

Where do you see any contradiction? What could be more consistent than a "weak" athlete doping, believing that they will become "stronger"?

You appear hostile to EA and generally to any African talent.

Its possible that African cheat to earn their food, but what about the big thieves in this world? these Nordic countries that close their gates to immigration.

Anyway good luck to your "hard worked" stolen talent.

Does anyone have more information on Paskalia Chepkorir Kipkoech’s ban? She was banned for Deflazacort, a glucocorticoids that is only prohibited for in-competition use. I can’t find any information regarding its performance enhancing properties, nor have I seen another athlete banned for this drug.

I am more confused why she was banned now. Kipkoech has not competed since 2019, so was this a re-test?

Kind of have the same thought on this - I mean are these athletes not being caught and he's making it up?

The amount of Kenyan athletes currently serving bans is absolutely wild and honestly, it is kind of hard to believe that this number of bans isn't deemed representative of an issue critical enough for Kenya to be in the exact same situation as Russia. Period.

50 cases out of 4150 athletes.

espn.com

Paris caught 5 athletes for doping during Games

The anti-doping program for the Paris Olympics caught five athletes after earlier finding 40 rule violations among competitors who had been expected to take part in the Games.

Open link

I have been working in a field far from sport for more than 30 years (now in phase of deciding retirement) and I can attest this:

The biggest corruption in this world come from the Nordic countries...

What is even more consistent is that any athlete who dopes - and not just those you describe as "weak" - believe they will become stronger. Since so many dope - and especially Kenyans - it easily points to doping having that effect. The alternative is that these athletes have subnormal intelligence, by persisting with something that is both illegal and useless.

By your usual circular reasoning a "weak" athlete is defined as such because they dope. If they dope they are by definition "weak" - to you. Yet it is only in your fantasies that a world champion can be described as "weak". The only thing truly weak around here is your reasoning.

I see retirement isn't coming too soon for you.

The elephant in the room, as always, is the nonsensical idea that Government/Regulators/Refs are themselves not open to the same corruption and lies that athletes are.

Who refs the refs? Reality, or God if you give it agency. And reality accepts deception and lies as long as they are effective.

Good examples of this are The Hillsborough disaster, and the subsequent 27 year (hahahaha) investigation into it. The disgraceful Liverpool hero Sir Kenny Dalglish spent all this time telling everyone to "be patient". Some of the fathers would have been dead by the time the investigation closed.

The Chilcot Inquiry where the Govt appoints an "independent" investigator to check things out.

The relatively recent manslaughter perpetrated on an 18 year old man in the UK, said to have pleaded "don't let me die" on the road. The woman was allowed to leave by British Police once they realized she was a "made" woman. That is, in the club. Untouchable.

If you are foolish enough to not see this then keep on swallowing down whatever your told.

HISTORY IS ONE GIANT BIG FAT FRAUD, and you all know it!

Just noting that you have often defended suspended athletes under the principle of 'innocent until proven guilty', and now you're claiming that I shouldn't report on decisions that find the suspended athlete guilty??

Just noting that you've often times claimed that there are thousands of Kenyan races, and untold numbers of Kenyan runners, who do not appear on World Athletics results lists or online (to explain, for example, how Elias Ngeny could show up at the Kenyan trials and run 1:43 at altitude without any previous recorded race results. In fact, pretty sure you made this claim again only a couple of months ago. But I have a life, so I'm not going to wade through your posts to find it.

Yes, a good guess was that she was attempting a drug fuelled comeback, is that implausible at 35 and in Olympic year?

I swear, I am honestly suspecting that you and Rekrunner are the same poster. Your argumentation and style are almost identical now when it comes to defending Kenyan dopers. And it's also noticeable that over the last few months, whilst he has been somewhat less active here, you've 'stepped up to the plate', and almost taken over his role.

8 Kenyans banned in a single day, or at least announced in a single day, and you think it's not worthy of reporting? Only somebody who absolutely doesn't care in the slightest whether or not Kenyans are all doped to the gills, would think that.

From the guy who said OUTDOOR Covid transmission was a problem. LOL.

https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=10672824&page=19

Social distancing was urged as a guideline outdoors as well as indoors. Hence, mass outdoor gatherings (like concerts) were not permitted. But with such a stupid, erroneous and irrelevant interpolation into a discussion of the Kenyan doping crisis you aren't helping the credibility of the main doping denier here.

I don’t often do that at all in defending dopers. I say I will not assume 100% guilt until we receive confirmation through the process. I assume statistically (95%+) it is likely a suspension/ban will hold up.

It is OK to make this thread of course, but it is misleading to a) highlight the same athlete multiple times b) mischaracterized the stature/magnitude of athletes.

Fact Check: Your Elias Ngeny point is nonsensical as he had a wide range of results in the 800/1500 previous to his 1:43-high 800m.

I don’t doubt there is a lot of doping going on in Kenya. Nobody with a brain does. The question is who is doping, is it state-sponsored, and what should be done about it.

See, I don’t quite get the point here. Kenya and the AIU uncovered a lot of doping and the AIU investigated Kenya and determined there wasn’t state-sponsored doping like Russia. So what’s the next action item?

Increasing and widening testing, adding education, and requiring Kenyans be tested more than anyone else. The elite Kenyans get tested 2-3x more, the scrubs get tested at all. If Morgan McDonald gets tested once a year, do you think 13:30/28:30/61:00 guys anywhere in the world get tested?

In the short-term, if there were NOT a lot more drug busts it’d actually be a concern. They are testing obscure athletes that never used to be tested and high-level athletes (11.4 times in 10 months on avg) way more. To me, I want to see if the top Kenyan road runners and track runners see an uptick in doping cases. So far, it has decidedly not happened, especially on the track. There’re a few top road/10,000m runners - Kipruto, Cherono, Kwemoi, Belet a few others and then Tri Acetate thing which was odd/short-lived as it is moronic doping

Addendum: When’s the last prominent track athlete who got busted for a substance? Washed Michael Saruni who’d get bounced in the heats of Trials? Brenda Chebet who couldn’t sniff a team if Ejore/Ewoi were racing? That's despite the jacked-up testing we’ve seen since Tokyo.

Lot of corruption in Kenya. I was reading a WSJ feature this morning on a 27-year old billionaire who has a company that hires people to label stuff for AI companies. Much of the fraud came from KEnya

Later, Scale discovered that much of the bad data sent to Meta had come from Kenyans who had become experts in making a quick buck off the Remotasks platform, the former employees said. Scale restricted several new labeling projects to workers based in the U.S. and other wealthy, English-speaking countries. The change didn’t stem the fraud entirely: Some foreign workers found ways to skirt the new rules by buying labeling accounts registered to U.S. residents that they found for sale in group chats on WhatsApp and Facebook.

https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/alexandr-wang-scale-ai-d7c6efd7?st=QAobdp&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

So when pressed to explain it, you don't really see any contradiction either. Thanks for that clarification.

Strong athletes may also believe doping will make them stronger, but the distinction is that they do not need nor want to dope, and will not choose to dope, at least on their own. Some strong athletes, and also some intelligent athletes, may be forced to dope against their will, or even without their knowledge.

Funny. You also thought "casual obsever" and I were the same person, suggesting you are not able to see the differences.

I don't defend Kenyan doping, nor any other Kenyan rule violations (e.g. "whereabouts" or "evasion").

Thoughtsleader has much more detailed information about athletes, and their training and racing, than I do. He is also much less skeptical about the significance of the role of doping and its effect on elite performances than I am.