If it was any other country people would be calling them out.
How is it that Houlihan is the only American distance runner that has been busted in decades? How is it that a Kenyan gets caught about once a week, but not any Americans?
You are right, I guess it's more using the saying "one hundred percent guarantee" since I don't live with them 24/7. I would say sure, maybe not total certainty but I definitely have some insight that I think most people here do not have. Not trying to dox myself or anyone, so obviously you have nothing to go on other than the classic "trust me bro" but such it is.
It is based on my personal experience being a runner from Utah who has run with BYU people. I grew up Mormon in Utah and know a ton of people that went to Utah colleges including BYU both as runners and not. Not saying Utah has no problems with drugs (just google prescription drug abuse in Utah for example) but I think people don't understand that BYU just kind of does things different. Sure I didn't go there, so I guess not one hundred percent knowledge, but it is a different sort of place for better and definitely sometimes for worse.
Wrong. This is the CLEANEST set of Olympic track medalists in many decades because AMERICA is leading the way and setting an example in hard work and fair competition!
In the last three outdoor global championships (Tokyo, Eugene, Budapest) there has only been one US male distance medalist, with Paul Chelimo taking a medal in the 5000m in Tokyo. This year we already have Fisher, Hocker, Nuguse, and Rooks. There is a chance that Hoppel is able to snag a medal in the 800m, and Fisher could take another in the 5000m given the weaker field.
This does not necessarily mean that they are all doping, of course, but there have been some suspiciously good performances on the US team.
Thank you! I sometimes ask this sort of question of people who say they're sure about something and that there is no way they can be they rarely answer so I really appreciate when one actually does answer.
Americans are training differently and getting better. HS kids have been faster than ever. It was only a matter of time before our HUGE amateur track and field system is paying dividends at the highest level. In fact, it's embarrassing that we were so bad for so long with such a robust system of youth, HS and college running.
Some of the HS times are from doping as well which doesn't strength your case. Especially with new NCAA regulation, it seems like the only way to make a top power 5 team will be to either run 80 mpw as a junior or to dope with willing parents. Undertrained people like Hocker - 4:04 off 30 mpw if I recall correctly - making teams will be MUCH less common as even good but not olympic gold level talents won't have the needed times
Asinga went from 10.59 (10.41 with +3.5 wind) to 9.89 / 9.83 (+2.6) in 1 year. He's the most blatant and the only one popped - but he's quite possibly the only one who's ever been tested as he ran world class times and was in the testing pool. Others have had similar progressions, from good times to great ones. If you see someone drop from just under 4:10 to a few seconds under 4:00 in 1 year that hit my radar as well. From both the times but also the progression and the complete lack of fatigue at the end of races.
Do not sweat it bro. The AIU is too invested in chasing and suspending mostly dead-end little known athletes from Third World countries to bother about what the Americans, Europeans -England, Norway, Greece - ,especially, are doing.
World Athletics' motto is: 'He who pays the piper dictates the tune. Never bite the finger that feeds you.'
I honestly think the US is shining in these games for a couple reasons.
1) It’s been a slow steady progression over the past two decades to get this many Americans competing for medals on the global level. Our younger runners are training harder (and more importantly more consistent) than ever and more importantly, smarter than we ever have…especially compared to the 80’s and 90’s. We have great coaches at all levels (club, HS, college, pros). And even coaches that don’t know sh#t about distance running now have full access to training, nutrition, etc via the internet and clinics. Plus, we are one of the largest countries in the world with the best resources for athletics. We should be a dominant force in all sports, track and field included.
2) More so, I feel there are less dopers competing in global championships than we’ve seen in 40 years. The playing field has leveled for the US. While I believe many of these athletes are definitely on supplements (beta-alanine, etc) the number of athletes using illegal substances has decreased. Over the past decade the testing has increased significantly, while the penalties for getting busted has stiffened. There’s no question that athletes will continue to dope, but the risk is slowly, but surely becoming bigger than the reward.
3) The Africans are not feared anymore. Outside of the marathon (where the bulk of doping incidents are occurring), the Africans have proven to be human. For years the Africans were given the pass when talks of doping were brought to the forefront. The belief was their upbringing, genetics, geography made them better runners, not doping. Wrong. Less African doping definitely gives others opportunities for medals that weren’t there 30 years ago. Now even little unknowns like Kenneth Rooks can bring it to these guys!!!
Sorry to burst your bubble oregon juice but as a recent grad college runner in Utah who competed against the BYU guys many times I can practically guarantee you that Rooks is not on any sort of gear. Much as I hated to lose to them over and over I can one hundred percent tell you the Eyestone crew is not doping.
Eyestone is the best coach in the US right now. Slightly better than Mike Smith.
Armstrong anyone? Only clowns here are those hopping around the track on stuff that hasn’t yet been made illegal because no one knows about it. Can’t get busted if it’s not on the banned list and it’s not tested for. But keep thinking your heroes are clean. Meanwhile T&F will continue to be a clown circus.
3) The Africans are not feared anymore. Outside of the marathon (where the bulk of doping incidents are occurring), the Africans have proven to be human. For years the Africans were given the pass when talks of doping were brought to the forefront. The belief was their upbringing, genetics, geography made them better runners, not doping. Wrong. Less African doping definitely gives others opportunities for medals that weren’t there 30 years ago. Now even little unknowns like Kenneth Rooks can bring it to these guys!!!
No one can be confident that genetics don’t play a role in east African distance dominance. We just don’t understand enough one way or the other. Less African doping wouldn’t explain the paucity of elite white sprinters or for that matter East African sprinters.
If I had to bet, my money would be on all peoples not being created equal.
Sorry to burst your bubble oregon juice but as a recent grad college runner in Utah who competed against the BYU guys many times I can practically guarantee you that Rooks is not on any sort of gear. Much as I hated to lose to them over and over I can one hundred percent tell you the Eyestone crew is not doping.
"just trust me, bro"
....As opposed to listening to the LR peanut gallery echo chamber clown-show??
Armstrong anyone? Only clowns here are those hopping around the track on stuff that hasn’t yet been made illegal because no one knows about it. Can’t get busted if it’s not on the banned list and it’s not tested for. But keep thinking your heroes are clean. Meanwhile T&F will continue to be a clown circus.
Us dominance is easily explained. Following the Kenyan method us runners are training at altitude, eating better foods and now eat sleep and drink running.. the economy has slowed so winnings and sponsorships are essential for mere survival. One gold medal can set up a usa family for decades.
Armstrong anyone? Only clowns here are those hopping around the track on stuff that hasn’t yet been made illegal because no one knows about it. Can’t get busted if it’s not on the banned list and it’s not tested for. But keep thinking your heroes are clean. Meanwhile T&F will continue to be a clown circus.
Us dominance is easily explained. Following the Kenyan method us runners are training at altitude, eating better foods and now eat sleep and drink running.. the economy has slowed so winnings and sponsorships are essential for mere survival. One gold medal can set up a usa family for decades.
Right, because US wasn’t already doing this in the 90s and 2000s. Probably even more so than now.
If it was any other country people would be calling them out.
Its not just them. Lots of nations are in on it,and for some reason their athletes rarely ,if ever test positive. It gets suspicious when you see seriously jacked athletes lining up to sprint/hurdle/throw/jump,when they could easily line up to compete in a bodybuilding contest. It gets even more suspicious,when they never test positive,especially those from westernised nations.
If it was any other country people would be calling them out.
How is it that Houlihan is the only American distance runner that has been busted in decades? How is it that a Kenyan gets caught about once a week, but not any Americans?
As always, running well is the only evidence.
"You're running well so you must be doping"
Are people actually this bitter and pathetic? Like I genuinely feel so sorry for you that you're life is that bad that you spend your time on a message board accusing people of cheating with zero evidence. I understand you were probably a JV runner in high school so it makes you jealous to see other people being successful. I just hope you remember that you're nothing and your life has amounted to accusing people who have no idea who you are of cheating
