I appreciate Jakob for always telling us what’s on his mind and exactly what he believes. Last year, he was legitimately sick and told us. This year, he went too hot from the start and just didn’t have any legs left at the end. Pretty easy to observe that even without him telling us - look at the very fast 400 opening split that’s about a second faster than his preferred opening, look at the final 100 when he just visibly didn’t have any legs left. I don’t see it as making excuses, just him explaining everything that he felt and thought. I find that much more insightful than a simple “I just wasn’t as good” which may sound humble but doesn’t say anything. It’s much more interesting to think about the why behind a race.
I appreciate Jakob for always telling us what’s on his mind and exactly what he believes. Last year, he was legitimately sick and told us. This year, he went too hot from the start and just didn’t have any legs left at the end. Pretty easy to observe that even without him telling us - look at the very fast 400 opening split that’s about a second faster than his preferred opening, look at the final 100 when he just visibly didn’t have any legs left. I don’t see it as making excuses, just him explaining everything that he felt and thought. I find that much more insightful than a simple “I just wasn’t as good” which may sound humble but doesn’t say anything. It’s much more interesting to think about the why behind a race.
Come on it's excuses man!!!! This guy has talked a lot but not won a single championships since he started talking a lot and behaving badly!!!!!! Let alone winning one CONVINCINGLY!!!!!
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I was 100% sure he would win it, but he couldn’t handle the pressure. While he did a 54 opening lap, Hocker held back just enough to get an opening pace he could handle.
if Jakob had ran 56 first and 54 second lap then maybe he would have made it, luring the field to a pace to hot for them.
Mad respect to all medalist for puttting in the effort to follow Jakob, hopefully this keeps him motivated to stick with the 1500 until LA
True. You run a 54.8 first lap and a 56 second lap, those a couple spots behind you run 56-56.
You run a 56.5 first lap and then run a 54.8, the field either has to run 54.8 too or lose ground. Jakob made it so only he (and Brian komen I guess) had to take a pace that fast that early
People will surely take away from this that there’s no way for him to win because he can’t solo a 3:26 from the front (would be the best 1500 in history by far) and because they think in a slow race he finishes worse (never really tried).
He can win from the front he just needs to get the pace right. No 54 first laps, no 58 second laps (2023).
LetsRun posters would have called his tactics stupid in any outcome other than him winning, so I was peeved to see that several times on the live thread. Lets it go slow for any length of time and gets outkicked: stupid, he should have made it a 3:26/3:27 race from the gun. Tries to make it a 3:26/3:27 race from the gun: stupid, he served as a pacer and wasted energy. I personally don’t think he could have outright won today no matter how he played it; he probably could have medaled, but hindsight is 20/20.
It was similar in the men’s 10k when I saw people ask “Wtf were the Ethiopians thinking??” I’m sure we’ll hear the same thing if they don’t set a fast pace in the 5k (or if they do).
If you’re trying to blast a 3:26/3:27 to kill off all challengers you have to run 55s, so 54.9+ at 400 isn’t that awful a misjudgment. Of course it’d be better to err on the cautious side through the first lap, but again, hindsight…
I think what surprised me more than anything is that Jakob misjudged his effort. To me, that is probably his greatest strength as a runner and something that his training method seems to really dial in. I assumed in the moment that he was just making his intentions clear from the gun and ready to just start turning screws, it was fast but I thought it was what he wanted. Evidently it caught up with him but I think the occasion and some of the external factors led to more of the "excitement" from him. Looking back, Tokyo really did play out perfectly for him with it timing out well for his rise up, Timmy taking the pace early, and the lack of atmosphere helping him focus completely. I think Hocker and Kerr were definitely going to feed off the crowd and atmosphere but it helped that Jakob let those factors get him jumpy and cause those slight miscalculations early that cost him dearly in the home straight.
I was 100% sure he would win it, but he couldn’t handle the pressure. While he did a 54 opening lap, Hocker held back just enough to get an opening pace he could handle.
if Jakob had ran 56 first and 54 second lap then maybe he would have made it, luring the field to a pace to hot for them.
Mad respect to all medalist for puttting in the effort to follow Jakob, hopefully this keeps him motivated to stick with the 1500 until LA
True. You run a 54.8 first lap and a 56 second lap, those a couple spots behind you run 56-56.
You run a 56.5 first lap and then run a 54.8, the field either has to run 54.8 too or lose ground. Jakob made it so only he (and Brian komen I guess) had to take a pace that fast that early
People will surely take away from this that there’s no way for him to win because he can’t solo a 3:26 from the front (would be the best 1500 in history by far) and because they think in a slow race he finishes worse (never really tried).
He can win from the front he just needs to get the pace right. No 54 first laps, no 58 second laps (2023).
No it wouldn't make a difference sir!!!!! 54.8 is nothing that harmful on a WR fast track and WR fast supershoes alright????
You asking him to run slower is undercutting his talent and ability which is not correct of you to do so!!!!!
If he had slowed the pace he would have gotten outkicked by the three medalists and probably Hobbs Kessler too.
He needs to find a certain sweet spot where he doesn't overtire himself, but also takes the energy out of his opponents. I think gradually and continually increasing the pace after the first 600-800m is probably the best way to do that. Going out in front in 54 seconds is not.
Yes, exactly. The reason El G didn't lead from the wire in Athens is for this very situation in relation to Lagat. Leading from the gun is more costly energy wise to Jacob and he isn't ahead of everyone else enough to run away from them. He need the Euro Champ strategy or the El G strategy, but gradually increasing the pace and then hitting top speed on the backstretch of the final lap. Then he can hold the kick to the finish line.
He said " he felt so great he couldn't believe how fast he was, after the first lap he became too eager, and finished with no legs ".
He did back off the pace on the second lap...he went out to fast first lap. IMO this was bad tactics to begin with. He should have waited to take the lead at 500m and slowly ratched down the pace, leaving himself with plenty to kick last 200m. might not have worked though.
agree, the Kenyans were more than willing to take the lead from the start at an honest pace. he should have let them and save something for the kick. that said, I still think he gets outkicked but may have held on for bronze.
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Why oh why didn't he just sit on Tim for the first 600m? A fit Tim was a gift for Jakob and he ignored it. Sit on Tim for 600 and long drive for home would have done it.
Well, I guess he did show up after all...! Hocker and Nuguse as well.
My team always say that "because you have a big mouth and is the one to beat, you have everything to lose in competitions". Today, Cole Hocker, Yared Nuguse and Josh Kerr outsmarted me. They were "the best guys" when it really mattered. And I want to congratulate them all on a great performance!
Of course, I am disappointed!
Running is the ultimate sport. Everyone can participate. Everyone can set their own goals and achieve them. All you need is to show up. Not long ago, I trained alongside kids and average runners at Sandnes stadium. Today, I competed alongside one of my countrymen in an Olympic 1500 final. Ten years ago, no one in Norway would have believed this was possible. Until Henrik and Filip showed us all that it is.
I sincerely want to express my gratitude and love to them and the rest of the team, and to my partners and the Norwegian athletics association and all my followers for the support this year. Thank you so much. It means a lot to me!
Thank you also to all my competitors for putting on a great show today. Congratulations to the guys bringing home the medals!
Luckily for me, I get to do it all again tomorrow morning.
Jakobs comparative advantage is in a Goldilocks zone. He is a great judge of pace most of the time but he let it get to him to tonight.
I dont think 54.9 was too fast for an opener but you all overlook that the first lap wasnt an even 54.9. He was last after the start and moved slowly for 70m. He didnt take the lead until 100 and this required a surge to ratchet down to sub-55.
The next two laps were classic Jakob 55 point and 55 point (not measuring from the start line but from 100 to 900). He did start to develop a gap just after 800 which was a key moment in this race. Had he maintained that gap it would be different.
But Potato Tim recognized the moment - no doubt from their last Olympic duel - and moved hard to close him back between 900 and 1100 thereby not only assisting the chasers to regain contact but ensuring Jakob knew his tactic was not working.
The 1200 time was not fast enough @ 2:47 mid. He needed 2:46 low or faster which for him either preserves that gap or initiates it if the chasers had held him to 1200.
The energetic consequences of the early uneven surge were not obvious until the last 80m but they were very real and clear.
Did you see his nerves before the start? The hair combing and anxious prancing not like usual.
I think a combo of the Kerr-Ingy hype and on-the-night nerves prompted unwise and inefficient race actions on his part that were enough to allow others to run PRs - all three ahead of him ran big PRs - and thereby lose him the race.
Still Jakob ran 3:28.2... beating his own previous OR from 2021.
I appreciate Jakob for always telling us what’s on his mind and exactly what he believes. Last year, he was legitimately sick and told us. This year, he went too hot from the start and just didn’t have any legs left at the end. Pretty easy to observe that even without him telling us - look at the very fast 400 opening split that’s about a second faster than his preferred opening, look at the final 100 when he just visibly didn’t have any legs left. I don’t see it as making excuses, just him explaining everything that he felt and thought. I find that much more insightful than a simple “I just wasn’t as good” which may sound humble but doesn’t say anything. It’s much more interesting to think about the why behind a race.
He wasn't sick last year. His say-so and the agreement of a team doctor mean nothing. He just can't keep on making excuses so he was forced to own it.
His tactics were absurd and clearly flawed. Not even peak El Guerrouj could front run an Olympic final from gun to tape with guys like Kerr and Hocker in the field.
In totality Jakob is the most talented athlete in that field. He just happens to be a guy who should focus on the 5 and 10 because with his 3:26 speed and incredible aerobic engine he can boss everyone in championship races. There he will be the kicker rather than the guy getting chased down because he just doesn't have the crucial gear change in the last 100 or so.
"Obviously I'm disappointed. It went wrong. I felt quite strong and that is partly why it turns out the way it does, says Ingebrigtsen to NRK. "I have so much strength that it gets a little too hard too soon."
Ingebrigtsen says that about halfway through the race he saw on the big screen in the stadium that he was about to get a small gap.
- And then you get a little excited. I want to take the chance to run away a bit. Then it was just a little too far, says Ingebrigtsen and continues. - Of course I am disappointed, but there are many different reasons for things that happen. But it's a bit annoying that I mess it up for myself, says Ingebrigtsen. He emphasized that he only had himself to blame for missing the podium. He also explained why he went too hard from the start. - I had extremely good legs and a fantastic feeling. Then I'm a bit too sure of myself, so I get far too hard an opening and go quite hard in the middle too. That's going to be a fourth place, says Ingebrigtsen. He was aware that he was unable to adjust the speed either. - I took myself down, says Ingebrigtsen.
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Well, I guess he did show up after all...! Hocker and Nuguse as well.
My team always say that "because you have a big mouth and is the one to beat, you have everything to lose in competitions". Today, Cole Hocker, Yared Nuguse and Josh Kerr outsmarted me. They were "the best guys" when it really mattered. And I want to congratulate them all on a great performance!
Of course, I am disappointed!
Running is the ultimate sport. Everyone can participate. Everyone can set their own goals and achieve them. All you need is to show up. Not long ago, I trained alongside kids and average runners at Sandnes stadium. Today, I competed alongside one of my countrymen in an Olympic 1500 final. Ten years ago, no one in Norway would have believed this was possible. Until Henrik and Filip showed us all that it is.
I sincerely want to express my gratitude and love to them and the rest of the team, and to my partners and the Norwegian athletics association and all my followers for the support this year. Thank you so much. It means a lot to me!
Thank you also to all my competitors for putting on a great show today. Congratulations to the guys bringing home the medals!
Luckily for me, I get to do it all again tomorrow morning.
Classy comment. I wonder if it was actually written by Jakob.
He didn't own it honestly enough. The fact is he not only ran the first 400 too fast, he ran the first 100 easy and then blasted to the front so his 100-400 cooked him hard. There are easier ways to run a fast 400 and even that he fkd up.