Downvote me I don't care. This is a USA focused site. But that 1500 was some Floyd Landis sh1t, couldn't be more sketchy. The furious celebration says "I'll do anything to win"
Well oddsmakers and originators arent the same. I did take Hocker at 24:1 to win yesterday tho. Sportsbooks also dont know anything about track and field so they just add a ton of juice to the markets so most bets are borderline unplayable even if you pick the winner.
This was my thought as well. Jakob ran like a complete idiot. Brutal to watch, but what a day for the Americans. I just wish Nuguse would’ve caught Kerr for the silver. He was so close.
For sure. Ugh, he was SO close to catching Kerr! Would've been the perfect race if he did.
I like Jakob a lot, but as others have said, he went out way too hard and it is incredibly arrogant to think he can solo a time-trial-style race against these guys in 1500 championship finals. All these guys are amazing athletes, as seen in these races.
Hopefully this teaches Jakob some tactics, but I suspect that his window is closing in terms of winning championship medals in the 1500 (I think he will win in the higher distances for many years to come, however).
If Jackob is smart he will give up the 1500m, and focus on 5k. He doesn’t have a kick, so the only way he can win a 1500m race is by dropping everyone else. But since the other runners can easily run 3:27 now, I don’t think there’s anything he can do to win a 1500m race
This is why wavelights make a difference. I don’t understand why so many people on this board pretend like they don’t help. It’s clearly not easy to determine the proper pace yourself in the heat of the race. If Jakob had wavelights in this race he wouldn’t have gone out in 54. Nobody follows the lights better than Jakob but a championship race is a different beast.
Because it's easier to blame it on spikes they didn't have access to, vs the ultimate concept behind wavelight which is even paced running, that they did have access to (even if wavelight makes that like 1000x easier).
You are right - nobody does the lights better than J.I - and they stop him from doing stuff like running sub 55 openers which is way under his AT pace for 1500m of running.
Well oddsmakers and originators arent the same. I did take Hocker at 24:1 to win yesterday tho. Sportsbooks also dont know anything about track and field so they just add a ton of juice to the markets so most bets are borderline unplayable even if you pick the winner.
In my experience they go off only basically times with a small adjustment for form
But that leads to a lot of inefficiencies - I had Kishane Thompson at +250 in early July and the line moved to -150 right before the gun went off. No, that didn't hit, but I made a +EV decision as the line clearly shifted showing I was right
For sure. Ugh, he was SO close to catching Kerr! Would've been the perfect race if he did.
I like Jakob a lot, but as others have said, he went out way too hard and it is incredibly arrogant to think he can solo a time-trial-style race against these guys in 1500 championship finals. All these guys are amazing athletes, as seen in these races.
Hopefully this teaches Jakob some tactics, but I suspect that his window is closing in terms of winning championship medals in the 1500 (I think he will win in the higher distances for many years to come, however).
Window is closing? Dude is still a kid
Well yes and no.
In championships this gets tough for him now. In Eugene he misjudged and made a mistake - okay, you give him that. In Budapest he claimed to be under the weather - okay, again you give him the benefit of that doubt. Here I'm not sure how we write it off to anything but his strength of running the 1500m just seems to be borderline impossible to get right without pacers, lights and after 2 days of solid racing. And I think 3 bites of the cherry are enough to be confident of that.
As for overall 1500m running - obviously no, he's still young but typically these top top guys have 3-5 year windows of running their peak times. After this year Jakob is on the back end of that. Doesn't mean he won't run in the 3.26's again or even lead the world in times for the next 1-2 seasons, but it can't and doesn't last forever. I'm not sure we see him in the 1500m in LA in 2028 even though I do think we see him in the very least in the 5000m.
I agree Jakob’s smooth 3:26.7 PR effort of a few weeks ago gave him the confidence he could race a WR 3:25 tonight on the world’s biggest stage. Hat’s off to him; he’s never been shy about chasing 1500m GOAT status. His best chance at achieving immortality now, it appears after multiple major championship losses, is in the less-heralded 5000m (and 3000 to even 10000, who knows yet).
All three Americans are relatively young in age and in running years. Both Jacob and Josh are near their peak so we knew pretty closely what they could do (or not do). This year, for all three Americans, racing was more about qualifying and running in the Olympics instead of fast time trials in DL meets so all they had to do was run a 3:30 and have a good kick until today. Few people knew they had a 3:27 in them. the Americans snuck up on the big two in the exact same way Josh snuck up on Jacob last year.
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