Remember, amateurism is tantamount to racism. Taking money out of the sport means that only rich, (mostly) white Americans and Western Europeans will train and compete…
Maybe, but less cheating would maybe make the sport more moral. The Africans can still compete in the Enhanced Games. To be honest Kenya should have already been diverted from the Olympics to the Enhanced Games. They can still earn money from the sport in those games but in a non-hypocritical manner.
Most fans realize doping is out of control in Africa, but TPTB make sure the stars skate because… Africa. That’s also why the apologists and deniers work ao hard to obfuscate. We kmnow drugs work as they are mighty aids when used for the physical ailments that led to their initial development.
Caught dopers get 8 year ban. Half that if they name names. Coach the same. Manager the same. Prize money kept in trust for 2 years payment dependant on negative tests over that period. No statute of limitation on medal wins. If you get caught, the medal's gone. That's a start.
First : I never said EPO doesn't work for Kenyans. Instead, I said "EPO doesn't work with every athlete (including white caucasic) having proper training in altitude. And for me proper training means a volume not inferior of 180/200 km per week, at specific intensity (proper training that physiologists and expert of antidoping don't know, so don't know the effect of training).
I already explained you that EPO works for untrained and also for trained athletes (as you define it). The body has natural limits, and chemical substances can shift that limits. E.g. anesthesia can knock you out (works for trained and untrained athletes) a snake can kill you (untrained, trained) a body builer gets huge muscles and there are a ton of other examples.
L. Armstrong is a very famous example using EPO, he was very well trained, but could still increase his performance with EPO. That falsifies your thinking in this respect, which is stupid.
A lot of words here. But the truth is that you’ve spent a lot of time deflecting about doping in athletics. You did imply that EPO would not work for top-tier athletes.
What we’re seeing with OOC testing shows how deep and prevalent the doping problem is in East Africa and you’ve been a denier all along. Just stop trying to pretend you were on the right side all along.
Truth? Pretense? Some big words there.
Why do you suggest Canova was wrong? About what?
Who has shown that EPO "works" for "top-tier" athletes? "OOC testing" showing "deep and prevalent" does not show that.
First : I never said EPO doesn't work for Kenyans. Instead, I said "EPO doesn't work with every athlete (including white caucasic) having proper training in altitude. And for me proper training means a volume not inferior of 180/200 km per week, at specific intensity (proper training that physiologists and expert of antidoping don't know, so don't know the effect of training).
Second : Isaiah Kiplagat NEVER declared war on doping. Before London Olympics, I started to see something strange (people not involved in athletics present in the domestic road races proposing "supplements" for enhancing the performances), together with Patrick Sang, and went to meet Isaiah for explaining the problem. He told me "mzungu, this is our problem, not your", and didn't move for about two years, trying to understand how to face the situation.
Third : I went China because, during a course lasting 3 weeks in Beijing as lecturer of IAAF, the Chinese Federation asked me to become the responsible for middle and long distances, swith the specific task to design a different organization in the Country.
Fourth : Also during the period in China, I had a specific authorization from David Okeyo and Isaiah Kiplagat for continuing coaching in Kenya, with a document inviting the various athletic responsibles to collaborate with me, under technical and organizative point of view, because always my role was to try to improve in these two situation (and I continue to go Kenya for coaching athletes and creating new coaches, despite the fact I'm almost 80).
There is really somebody who doesn't have anything to do, if in 2024 discover a fake news of 11 years before... where it's written I still am in China (my contract terminated 9 years ago...)
How are you so well versed to know that it doesn't always work?
I already explained you that EPO works for untrained and also for trained athletes (as you define it). The body has natural limits, and chemical substances can shift that limits. E.g. anesthesia can knock you out (works for trained and untrained athletes) a snake can kill you (untrained, trained) a body builer gets huge muscles and there are a ton of other examples.
L. Armstrong is a very famous example using EPO, he was very well trained, but could still increase his performance with EPO. That falsifies your thinking in this respect, which is stupid.
But you don't know anything about Bioenergetics. This has been pointed out to you. So why pretend you do?
One international coach, Renato Canova, who had dozens of top-rung East African athletes in his stable, declared that EPO does not work on them. The implication was, therefore, they don’t dope. When former Athletics Kenya president Isiah Kiplagat declared war on doping, he warned unregistered foreign coaches to leave within one week. Canova left the area, headed to China and has been there since.
The title says "out of control" while the AIU's Brett Clothier is a bit more optimistic, telling us that the AIU, and ADAK, are getting it under control: "I'm trying to tell everyone: 'Don't be surprised. Don't be shocked'. This is what needs to happen to get this under control."
Kelsall says "eight-year statute of limitations". In 2015, WADA extended it to ten years.
Kelsall says "EPO does not work on them" implies "therefore, they don’t dope." This implication seems like a generous leap, especially if Kenyans are doping with other non-blood doping substances. In 2018, we learned there were very few cases of EPO doping in Kenya. Most were for nandrolone (by far) or cortisone. We also know that some cases were due to athlete/doctor negligence in the ordinary course of medical treatment. The Sunday Times reported that blood doping suspicion among Kenyans (and Ethiopians) were below the world average for the period between 2001-2012. This raised awkward questions about blood doping "working" around the world. Even today, most Kenyan doping cases are not for EPO or ABP, but for a whole catalog of other banned drugs, like triamcinolone acetonide or trimetazidine, not to mention the occasional whereaouts failures which can catch both users and non-users of banned substances and methods alike.
Kelsall says Canova is still in China?
Some of Kelsall's suggested "solutions" seem extreme and draconian. At least he agrees that banning Athletics Kenya is uncalled for as "AK is likely in compliance".
The solution should be multi-pronged: in addition to testing and banning national and international athletes, educating athletes and doctors to avoid unintentional doping due to negligence of athlete obligations during routine medical treatments, and investigating and punishing the suppliers.
I already explained you that EPO works for untrained and also for trained athletes (as you define it). The body has natural limits, and chemical substances can shift that limits. E.g. anesthesia can knock you out (works for trained and untrained athletes) a snake can kill you (untrained, trained) a body builer gets huge muscles and there are a ton of other examples.
L. Armstrong is a very famous example using EPO, he was very well trained, but could still increase his performance with EPO. That falsifies your thinking in this respect, which is stupid.
The example you need, which is the one missing, is the one when distance running athletes (trained and untrained) run faster than their personal bests as a result of EPO. No doubt that EPO will work for everyone to make their blood thicker. It remains to be seen whether that can translate into even faster running performances, for athletes with already high counts of blood cells from atlitude.
Armstrong is not a good example, as he was taking a half-dozen or more other drugs.
First : I never said EPO doesn't work for Kenyans. Instead, I said "EPO doesn't work with every athlete (including white caucasic) having proper training in altitude. And for me proper training means a volume not inferior of 180/200 km per week, at specific intensity (proper training that physiologists and expert of antidoping don't know, so don't know the effect of training).
I already explained you that EPO works for untrained and also for trained athletes (as you define it). The body has natural limits, and chemical substances can shift that limits. E.g. anesthesia can knock you out (works for trained and untrained athletes) a snake can kill you (untrained, trained) a body builer gets huge muscles and there are a ton of other examples.
L. Armstrong is a very famous example using EPO, he was very well trained, but could still increase his performance with EPO. That falsifies your thinking in this respect, which is stupid.
I already explained you that EPO works for untrained and also for trained athletes (as you define it). The body has natural limits, and chemical substances can shift that limits. E.g. anesthesia can knock you out (works for trained and untrained athletes) a snake can kill you (untrained, trained) a body builer gets huge muscles and there are a ton of other examples.
L. Armstrong is a very famous example using EPO, he was very well trained, but could still increase his performance with EPO. That falsifies your thinking in this respect, which is stupid.
The example you need, which is the one missing, is the one when distance running athletes (trained and untrained) run faster than their personal bests as a result of EPO. No doubt that EPO will work for everyone to make their blood thicker. It remains to be seen whether that can translate into even faster running performances, for athletes with already high counts of blood cells from atlitude.
Armstrong is not a good example, as he was taking a half-dozen or more other drugs.
Great idea! Please tell us how you plan to execute the study. Please outline all of the study criteria, including where you’ll recruit top tier athletes trained to their peak to openly take EPO.
Great idea! Please tell us how you plan to execute the study. Please outline all of the study criteria, including where you’ll recruit top tier athletes trained to their peak to openly take EPO.
The example you need, which is the one missing, is the one when distance running athletes (trained and untrained) run faster than their personal bests as a result of EPO. No doubt that EPO will work for everyone to make their blood thicker. It remains to be seen whether that can translate into even faster running performances, for athletes with already high counts of blood cells from atlitude.
Armstrong is not a good example, as he was taking a half-dozen or more other drugs.
Great idea! Please tell us how you plan to execute the study. Please outline all of the study criteria, including where you’ll recruit top tier athletes trained to their peak to openly take EPO.
Wouldn't it be better to learn educate oneself about oxygen kinetics before executing any such studies?
Question the general assumption that more red blood cells = more oxygen delivery? Or that one is somehow compromised in this faculty?
The example you need, which is the one missing, is the one when distance running athletes (trained and untrained) run faster than their personal bests as a result of EPO.
Hard to argue with blood-doped world records (e.g., Boulami, Kipruto, Kiptum), but I bett you will do it anyway because of your agenda here. There is also Jeptoo's blood-doped PR at an advanced age. And Ramzi. And Shobukhova. And so on.
The example you need, which is the one missing, is the one when distance running athletes (trained and untrained) run faster than their personal bests as a result of EPO.
Hard to argue with blood-doped world records (e.g., Boulami, Kipruto, Kiptum), but I bett you will do it anyway because of your agenda here. There is also Jeptoo's blood-doped PR at an advanced age. And Ramzi. And Shobukhova. And so on.
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