Does anyone know what Young closed in when he lost to Wolfe? I imagine it was still decent.
I don’t think it’s even remotely fair to write off Young for losing to Wolfe, a great athlete, by a hair. Regardless of his loss it’s hard to count out a 12:57 / 26:52 guy with a 1:47 800m.
I’m not super aware how the qualifying works in terms of the standard and ranking. If Young places outside of the top 3 but only 2 guys ahead of him have the standard/ranking, does he still get to go?
Does anyone know what Young closed in when he lost to Wolfe? I imagine it was still decent.
I don’t think it’s even remotely fair to write off Young for losing to Wolfe, a great athlete, by a hair. Regardless of his loss it’s hard to count out a 12:57 / 26:52 guy with a 1:47 800m.
I’m not super aware how the qualifying works in terms of the standard and ranking. If Young places outside of the top 3 but only 2 guys ahead of him have the standard/ranking, does he still get to go?
Ok Young closed in 1:52.42 and 55.18 for his last lap. I think this just shows how good Wolfe is, but I don’t see Young not making the 10K team with his closing speed..barring a mistimed peak or the heat taking its toll on him.
"USATF unwilling to change start time Chelimo and Kincaid both DNF 1. Fischer 2. Mantz 3. Young 4. Panning USA only sends Fischer and Young to Paris"
in this scenario, Chelimo or Kincaid could literally walk the last mile and still qualify.
Gotta go Fischer, Young, Kincaid. This is on the assumption that there have been hiccups in Woody’s training and that’s why he hasn’t raced. Fischer winds it up with 3200 to go. Only Nico is still there at the bell.
Y’all pretending like Young didn’t run out of gas over a month ago. He’s lost back to back 5ks against collegiate competition. He won’t be in the top 5 at the trials for any event.
1. Woody, 2. Grant, 3. Dude running for the army.
Pretty sure Young didn’t care about “winning” the West First Round, which is nothing but a prelim. The apparent wrinkle in his season that is his loss to Wolfe will be smoothed out after everyone sees Wolfe mix it up with the big dogs in the U.S. 5k final.
So who wins and who makes the team? Young may eventually win a US 10,000 title, but as good as he has been this year (he did beat Kincaid head-to-head at The TEN but that had a rabbit), it feels too early in his career for him to win a US title in 2024. And while you can't ever count Chelimo out, he has always been a better 5,000 runner than 10,000 runner and his results this year just have not been impressive.
That leaves Fisher and Kincaid. Fisher beat Kincaid by five seconds at The TEN in March, 26:52 to 26:57. The logical inference is to view that as a good sign for Fisher, but I view it differently. The fact that Kincaid was able to run 26:57 -- a pb by nine seconds -- means he is incredibly strong and will be even harder to drop than he was last year, when Fisher took off with 1200 left, went 60.55-59.91-58.39 for his last three laps and still got blasted by Kincaid's 54.76 final 400. Fisher is the better Olympic medal bet, but in a slower race at the Trials, I still trust Kincaid's kick more -- even though he has not raced in three months.
1. Kincaid 2. Fisher 3. Young
At the TEN, Fisher clearly could have run faster, while Kincaid’s effort was all out.
Y’all pretending like Young didn’t run out of gas over a month ago. He’s lost back to back 5ks against collegiate competition. He won’t be in the top 5 at the trials for any event.
1. Woody, 2. Grant, 3. Dude running for the army.
He literally wore a watch and lapped it every lap for West Regionals. That was a workout.
Then he closed in 1:52 and still lost to a dude. Neither race at the Trials will be as slow as that 5K, but if he closes either race anywhere below 1:57 he will make the team.
Y’all pretending like Young didn’t run out of gas over a month ago. He’s lost back to back 5ks against collegiate competition. He won’t be in the top 5 at the trials for any event.
1. Woody, 2. Grant, 3. Dude running for the army.
He literally wore a watch and lapped it every lap for West Regionals. That was a workout.
Then he closed in 1:52 and still lost to a dude. Neither race at the Trials will be as slow as that 5K, but if he closes either race anywhere below 1:57 he will make the team.
1:57 won’t get it done and Young is a long shot to make the team.
Nothing makes my anger problem more obvious than when people still spell his name “Fischer,” with that superfluous C. Such a little thing and yet, I just smashed up 25 computers and didn’t calm down until I was given horse tranquilizers.
He literally wore a watch and lapped it every lap for West Regionals. That was a workout.
Then he closed in 1:52 and still lost to a dude. Neither race at the Trials will be as slow as that 5K, but if he closes either race anywhere below 1:57 he will make the team.
1:57 won’t get it done and Young is a long shot to make the team.
Mantz isn't closing in 1:57. Grant and Woody are but that doesn't matter because Chelimo won't be there. If you think Nico's a long shot you're somewhat insane.
1:57 won’t get it done and Young is a long shot to make the team.
Mantz isn't closing in 1:57. Grant and Woody are but that doesn't matter because Chelimo won't be there. If you think Nico's a long shot you're somewhat insane.
Well I’m basing it on Kincaid running 26:57 this year and beating Fisher in the two US 10k finals he has finished.
Would not be surprised at all if Fisher wins, but if Woody is still there at the bell I know who my money is on.
It’s a reasonable prediction, but I just don’t think you should put any stock in last year’s US final when Fisher was running on a stress reaction and was also beaten by McGorty. You might as well consider Kincaid’s DNF in 2022 as a loss to Fisher. I suppose that’s my main point.
Apart from a limited sample of US finals, Fisher is 3-0 against Kincaid in 10ks. And sure Kincaid ran 26:57 this year, but I believe it’s flawed logic to use that as evidence he’ll beat Fisher who romped to an easy 26:52 win in the same race.
Fisher got the Olympic Standard looking effortless and unwinded.
Systematically this year, Fisher has been doing everything right and looking great.
Does anyone know what Young closed in when he lost to Wolfe? I imagine it was still decent.
I don’t think it’s even remotely fair to write off Young for losing to Wolfe, a great athlete, by a hair. Regardless of his loss it’s hard to count out a 12:57 / 26:52 guy with a 1:47 800m.
I’m not super aware how the qualifying works in terms of the standard and ranking. If Young places outside of the top 3 but only 2 guys ahead of him have the standard/ranking, does he still get to go?
Ok Young closed in 1:52.42 and 55.18 for his last lap. I think this just shows how good Wolfe is, but I don’t see Young not making the 10K team with his closing speed..barring a mistimed peak or the heat taking its toll on him.
Yeah, Young was out kicked at both Boston and at NCAAs by guys that have maybe 3:35-3:36, 1500m speed.
Off the pace at NCAAs, the last 800m was all most like starting it fresh. At the trials, several guys would be sub-1:50 off of such a slow pace.
Fisher got the Olympic Standard looking effortless and unwinded.
Systematically this year, Fisher has been doing everything right and looking great.
Fisher FTW
Yeah I’m a Fisher believer this year. I think some of his past issues are down to going too hard, too early which compromises his last 100. I think this year he will get a gap on Woody and I don’t see the others really gaining on him the last 150. I’m concerned about Woody not racing at all and just being a year older.