I think he might be peaking at the right time and may be able to have a good showing in the trials. 1:46 at ACC and then 1:44 at NCAA. I'm pretty sure he had a similar race at ACC but his kick left him short (could be wrong about that). Knowing that he walked away and had time off for an injury gets my attention from a human interest standpoint.
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Old&InTheWay wrote:
I think he might be peaking at the right time and may be able to have a good showing in the trials. 1:46 at ACC and then 1:44 at NCAA. I'm pretty sure he had a similar race at ACC but his kick left him short (could be wrong about that). Knowing that he walked away and had time off for an injury gets my attention from a human interest standpoint.
In the NCAA race he was last and looked like he was labouring till the final bend. Then there was a change of gear and he ran through - around - the field like he had just stepped on to the track. 1:44-high, with a negative split. Just like that, from a former D2 runner. Wonders never cease.
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One hit wonder wrote:
He had one lucky race. Won’t be heard of again. I’ll eat my shoes if he makes it out of the first round at the US Trials.
Create an official account and send video proof of you eating it after he makes it past the first round. Can we hear the shoe options? I'm thinking some vaporflys.
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UkrainianHunk wrote:
One hit wonder wrote:
He had one lucky race. Won’t be heard of again. I’ll eat my shoes if he makes it out of the first round at the US Trials.
Create an official account and send video proof of you eating it after he makes it past the first round. Can we hear the shoe options? I'm thinking some vaporflys.
Don't waste your time. This guy is a COWARD and will not commit to a man's bet like this.
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Shane Cohen in his basketball days as a star for Lower Moreland. Yes, that's him minus the hair, in the pic.
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Basketball is a contact sport, despite not officially being one, and as a former 5.7/5.8 point guard, Cohen will have no trouble dealing with the possible pushing and shoving inherent in 800 racing.
This kid's the real deal, but not sure about his ceiling? I'm thinking 1:43.00-1:44.00, within next 1-2 years. He's relatively new and fresh.
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This sentence SUCKS. You suck at this
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Is Shane Cohen more 400/800, or 800/1500?
He has a best 1500 of 3:47 this season (2024), but can obviously run much faster. What's his 400 base speed? 47/48? Slower, faster?
He used to run the relay in H.S. but not privy to his bests.
Kid's a future monster...
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Whole thing makes a lot more sense. Guy ran XC and was pretty good, but cared more about basketball where at 5’8” he was still the best player on his team and attracting D3 interest. Outdoors he ran 49.2 and split 48.55, probably focusing more on sprinting. Quits the sport and not rocket science that with more training, maturity and focus on a dream event for someone with sub-17 strength and 49 natural speed…he quickly becomes a 1:48 guy. Gets the D1 boost and now at 1:44.98. I’m hoping he gets into a good group for 800m, which is hard to find. Would love to see him with Bryce/Hobbs.
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You suck at this wrote:
This sentence SUCKS. You suck at this
"Major props to Chisari, who it looks like was only a 27 minute 8k guy who never ran track for Tampa from what I can tell, as without him we've likely never heard of Cohen."
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Impressed by those videos of him on the hoops court in H.S. Absolute beast not scared to take the ball all the way to basket in traffic. Not sure about his shooting though....
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Ghost1 wrote:
Is Shane Cohen more 400/800, or 800/1500?
He has a best 1500 of 3:47 this season (2024), but can obviously run much faster. What's his 400 base speed? 47/48? Slower, faster?
He used to run the relay in H.S. but not privy to his bests.
Kid's a future monster...
It seems he began as 400/800 but he has very good natural endurance and has trained it quite a bit. Sort of akin to Brazier, though that talent level of course is extreme. It is worth noting that Whitmarsh is also strong in both directions.
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THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Whole thing makes a lot more sense. Guy ran XC and was pretty good, but cared more about basketball where at 5’8” he was still the best player on his team and attracting D3 interest. Outdoors he ran 49.2 and split 48.55, probably focusing more on sprinting. Quits the sport and not rocket science that with more training, maturity and focus on a dream event for someone with sub-17 strength and 49 natural speed…he quickly becomes a 1:48 guy. Gets the D1 boost and now at 1:44.98. I’m hoping he gets into a good group for 800m, which is hard to find. Would love to see him with Bryce/Hobbs.
willfully remaining blind. None of it makes sense unless there is a pharmacy involved.
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huwang wrote:
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Whole thing makes a lot more sense. Guy ran XC and was pretty good, but cared more about basketball where at 5’8” he was still the best player on his team and attracting D3 interest. Outdoors he ran 49.2 and split 48.55, probably focusing more on sprinting. Quits the sport and not rocket science that with more training, maturity and focus on a dream event for someone with sub-17 strength and 49 natural speed…he quickly becomes a 1:48 guy. Gets the D1 boost and now at 1:44.98. I’m hoping he gets into a good group for 800m, which is hard to find. Would love to see him with Bryce/Hobbs.
willfully remaining blind. None of it makes sense unless there is a pharmacy involved.
What doesn't make sense? He was focusing on a different sport. Once he got at least two years of continuous focus he went from 1:56 to 1:49. That happens sometimes.
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It may be something in the "wooder".
Cohen's UVA teammate Gary Martin grew up in Warminster which is only a couple miles from Huntingdon Valley.
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what do you mean wrote:
huwang wrote:
willfully remaining blind. None of it makes sense unless there is a pharmacy involved.
What doesn't make sense? He was focusing on a different sport. Once he got at least two years of continuous focus he went from 1:56 to 1:49. That happens sometimes.
His level of achievement is hard to believe. 1:44-high is better than Wottle at Munich by a full second (and off a negative split)- and Wottle was the best in the world. Cohen's finish was turbo-charged - ridiculous.
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huwang wrote:
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Whole thing makes a lot more sense. Guy ran XC and was pretty good, but cared more about basketball where at 5’8” he was still the best player on his team and attracting D3 interest. Outdoors he ran 49.2 and split 48.55, probably focusing more on sprinting. Quits the sport and not rocket science that with more training, maturity and focus on a dream event for someone with sub-17 strength and 49 natural speed…he quickly becomes a 1:48 guy. Gets the D1 boost and now at 1:44.98. I’m hoping he gets into a good group for 800m, which is hard to find. Would love to see him with Bryce/Hobbs.
willfully remaining blind. None of it makes sense unless there is a pharmacy involved.
Fans can't think that.
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THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Whole thing makes a lot more sense. Guy ran XC and was pretty good, but cared more about basketball where at 5’8” he was still the best player on his team and attracting D3 interest. Outdoors he ran 49.2 and split 48.55, probably focusing more on sprinting. Quits the sport and not rocket science that with more training, maturity and focus on a dream event for someone with sub-17 strength and 49 natural speed…he quickly becomes a 1:48 guy. Gets the D1 boost and now at 1:44.98. I’m hoping he gets into a good group for 800m, which is hard to find. Would love to see him with Bryce/Hobbs.
5'8 PG is a dream middle-distance archetype— those guys have fast-twitch burst, good endurance, and (probably most important) the mental toughness needed to run a great 800. Funny thing is Cohen's a great athlete, but not even anything that special by D1 standards— makes you wonder how many great runners are buried on the benches of D1 basketball teams.
I still think that there's a big difference between 1:48 and a 1:44 with a 12.4 close, but this article shows that he clearly had a ton of untapped potential. Good read.
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I know I'm going to regret expecting a rational response...
With regard to performance enhancing substances, what could he have taken to make the improvement within this time frame and not been caught? I mean, where did this performance enhancing drug program come from in less than a year? he's doing it in his college dorm?
Don't get me wrong - as a former pro cycling fan who suspected LA was doping well before TDF win #1, I'm no pollyanna regarding PEDs. But crazy stuff happens. As a div iii college frosh, I dropped a :54 last 400m during my first outdoor 1500 after being WAY overserved and up way too late the night before (don't get excited, it was only a 3:57). I never did that again. And I wish I was talking about the partying/drinking. lol
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Ghost1 wrote:
Is Shane Cohen more 400/800, or 800/1500?
He has a best 1500 of 3:47 this season (2024), but can obviously run much faster. What's his 400 base speed? 47/48? Slower, faster?
He used to run the relay in H.S. but not privy to his bests.
Kid's a future monster...
It looks like he was a two time PIAA District 1 (Philly suburbs) AA (smaller schools) champion in Cross Country with a best 5k of 16:29.
HS Track bests: 11.74, 23.14, 49.27, 1:58.37, 4:35.34.
In an interview with Chris Chavez, he notes that he didn't run train a lot in high school and credits his improvement to increased mileage.
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