Halleluha: Lia Thomas' case against World Aquatics is tossed out

The only satisfaction in life these weird alt-right folks have is pretending that someone else is furious over something. That's simply a terrible way to live, and I actually feel sorry for them since I'm capable of nuance and empathy.

From NBC News:

“The CAS decision is deeply disappointing,” Thomas said in a statement. “Blanket bans preventing trans women from competing are discriminatory and deprive us of valuable athletic opportunities that are central to our identities."

“The CAS decision should be seen as a call to action to all trans women athletes to continue to fight for our dignity and human rights,” Thomas added.

Athlete Ally, a nonprofit that advocates for the inclusion of LGBTQ in sports, condemned the ruling.

“By dismissing Lia Thomas’ legal challenge against World Aquatics, the CAS has denied her fundamental right to access an effective remedy for acts that violate her human rights," Hudson Taylor, the founder and executive director of Athlete Ally, said in a statement. "This is a sad day for sports and for anyone who believes that trans athletes should have the opportunity for their experiences of discrimination to be heard and adjudicated like everyone else.”

nbcnews.com

Trans swimmer Lia Thomas' Olympic hopes are dashed after a losing legal battle

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Thomas made history in 2022, becoming the first transgender woman to win an NCAA swimming championship.

Link:www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/lia-t...

For those not familiar with Athlete Ally, it's so committed to "LGBTQ inclusion in sports" that five years ago, it kicked out and publicly denounced women's tennis legend and lesbian icon Martina Navratilova as "hateful" and "transphobic" for standing up for fair play for female athletes in women's sports. As a longtime out lesbian and gay rights activist who befriended Renee Richards on the women's tour in the 1970s and hired Richards as her coach in 1981, Navratilova has probably done more to promote and gain acceptance and inclusion for LGBT people in sports over the past 45 years than any other single individual. But in the eyes of groups that bill themselves as all about "LGBTQ" inclusion like Athlete Ally, Navritoliva is now a pariah on par with other prominent women who are reviled as evil "TERF"s today like JK Rowling and Sharron Davies.

Correct spelling is Halleluhoohaa.

Now I've heard there was a secret chord
That David played, and it pleased the Lord
But you dont really care for music, do you?
It goes like this, the fourth, the fifth
The minor falls, the major lifts
The baffled king composing Halleluha
Halleluha, Halleluha
Halleluha, Halleluha
Your faith was strong but you needed proof
You saw her bathing on the roof
Her beauty and the moonlight overthrew her
She tied you to a kitchen chair
She broke your throne, and she cut your hair
And from your lips she drew the Halleluha
Halleluha, Halleluha
Halleluha, Halleluha
Well, maybe there's a God above
As for me all I've ever learned from love
Is how to shoot somebody who outdrew you
But it's not a crime that you're hear tonight
It's not some pilgrim who claims to have seen the Light
No, it's a cold and it's a very broken Halleluha
Halleluha, Halleluha
Halleluha, Halleluha

Halleluha, Halleluha
Halleluha, Halleluha
Well people I've been here before
I know this room and I've walked this floor
You see I used to live alone before I knew ya
And I've seen your flag on the marble arch
But listen love, love is not some kind of victory march, no
It's a cold and it's a broken Halleluha
Halleluha, Halleluha
Halleluha, Halleluha
There was a time you let me know
What's really going on below
But now you never show it to me, do you?
And I remember when I moved in you
And the holy dove she was moving too
And every single breath we drew was Halleluha
Halleluha, Halleluha
Halleluha, Halleluha
Now I've done my best, I know it wasn't much
I couldn't feel, so I tried to touch
I've told the truth, I didnt come here to London just to fool you
And even though it all went wrong
I'll stand right here before the Lord of song
With nothing, nothing on my tongue but Halleluha
Halleluha, Halleluha
Halleluha, Halleluha
Halleluha, Halleluha
Halleluha, Halleluha
Halleluha

And those people with CAIS are eligible to compete as women under this World Aquatics policy. They are also eligible under the World Athletics, World Triathlon, UCI or any other global sports governing body's policy.

However, they are not eligible to compete in 20+ Republican controlled US states.

For the "poorly educated" let me super-simplify this for you.

Athletes that are fully transitioned should be welcome in any sport in their transitioned category.

But Lia Thomas is by definition non-binary, she is not fully transitioned.

Women's races are NOT a dumping ground for non-binary athletes.

The problem is you do not grasp the difference or even worse you don't want to.

Under the 2016 rules she would never have even gotten this far and you'd never even know her name.

Stop thinking you know how everything in life works, you do not and you are wrong.

World Aquatics does not have a blanket ban. If swimming had its own Becky Pepper Jackson (i.e. someone who started transition before puberty) , she would be allowed to compete. And I think there will be such a swimmer sooner or later.

Please do not act as if Democrats overwhelmingly support fair women's sport. Look at the politicians that can't get out of their own way to support trans athletes competing against women. You may be correct but do not act as if that is what the politicians you support think.

This was the correct result. Sadly, some people are so weak and can’t handle losing to the point where they will lie, cheat, steal, and now even change their gender just to get a trophy.

In fairness, there are still things to litigate in cases like that one.

But once you go through puberty, it’s a done deal. Too many residual benefits. It’s no different than taking PEDs and then going off of them and claiming you aren’t cheating because you are currently clean.

But we also need to keep a look out for the obvious cases like this one where it’s clearly just a man saying they are a woman and they really aren’t, and probably don’t even have gender dysphoria issues, but just can’t handle losing.

No such dealbreaker. The vast majority of men who go through puberty don’t come anywhere close to elite female athletes in performance.

Your last para gives your biases away.

I don’t think what you've said about the 20+ Republican-controlled US states is true. Or relevant to this thread.

The relevance issue first: AFAIK, all the laws and directives that Republican-controlled US states have put in place to keep males like Lia Thomas from using gender identity claims to get into girls' and women's sports have solely pertained to school sports.

The so-called "Save Women's Sports" laws and directives that have come into force in Republican states in recent years have no bearing on sports, sports organizations and sports governing bodies that are outside and apart from scholastic and interscholastic sports. Such as World Aquatics and USA Swimming - the orgs whose policies Lia Thomas was/is seeking to overturn.

Second, I believe most/all the laws aimed at keeping male students out of girls' and women's school sports put into place in Republican US states say that when it comes sex-segregated school sports, inclusion in and exclusion from girls' or women's sports, aka the female category, is to be based on “the biological sex of the student at birth..”

I haven’t read all the laws that every “red state” in the US has passed trying to keep more male students from muscling in on girls and women's school sports by using gender identity claims the way Lia Thomas, CeCe Telfer, Sadie Schreiner, June Eastwood, Terry Miller, Andraya Yearwood, Redmond Sullivan, Tate Dageset, Maelle Jacques, Veronica Garcia, Becky Pepper Jackson and way too many others have already done. But I’ve read quite a few of these laws. And IIRC, nearly all the ones I’ve seen say that the “biological sex of the student at birth” means the sex stated on an original birth certificate issued when a student was a baby or very young child.

The only exception that comes to mind at the moment is one state - Oklahoma, I think - where the law says that "biological sex at birth" means the sex a parent or guardian swears a student was at birth in an affidavit that all student-athletes will have to file with school sports officials annually, or the sex that students themselves swear by affidavit they were at birth once they are 18 and older.

As you frequently point out, nearly all individuals with CAIS are "assigned female at birth" and their original BCs say they are female. So even in "red states" in the US that have put into place the kinds of legal protections known as "Save Women's Sports" laws that you oppose, students with CAIS (and certain other DSDs affecting people with male genetics and male gonads) would automatically be allowed to play and compete in girls' and women's school sports.

Here is HR734.

"sex is based on an individual's reproductive biology and genetics at birth."

NAIA policy.

*For the sake of this policy, biological sex is defined by distinguishing characteristics and can be
supported by birth certificate or signed affidavit. While rare, there have been cases where the sex assigned at birth does not match the biological sex, which led to the use of biological sex in this document.

naia.org

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Link:www.naia.org/transgender/files/TG_Poli...

I’m pretty sure standard operating procedure in the US is for DSD individuals to have their internal testicles removed shortly after birth and raise them as female. Which I don’t agree with but which would go a long way towards mitigating their XY advantages in sports.
If there is a loophole that would allow Semenya type individuals with testes to compete in high school girl sports that loophole should be closed then.

yell at both groups to get the hell offa the trolley tracks. What are these idiots doing. Must be San Francisco

I'm perfectly willing to "keep it real" on this.

The most recent and best polls show that more Democrats think people should participate according to their "birth gender" than allowing them to participate based on their identity, but it is by a slim margin. (48 to 47%).

However, the number of Dems that believe participation should align with birth gender is growing quickly, from 41 to 48% from 2021 to 2023. By now it could easily be 55%+ of Dems, as more of them learn about the real consequences of the issue.

We should note that there are 6% of Republicans that favor allowing participation based on identity, so not even Republicans all agree on this.

I agree with you that elected Democrats are lagging the voters in seeing the problem with allowing XY humans to participate against XX humans in girls' and women's sports. I am hoping that the rapidly changing poll numbers and the decisions by governing bodies in sports and CAS, and the increasing number of trans girls and women denying XX humans the right to participate fairly (and public outcry about it) will work to get them on the right side of this issue.