Dutch track coach is an idiot

wiederganger wrote:

The Dutch qualified for the mixed 4x4 without Bol easily in 2023, and can do so again in Paris if they want to. It depends on who they want to rest, Bol or Bonevacia. The men's 400m heats (PM) & women's 400mh heats (AM) are the next day. Whilst I think Bol would be fine, she has the bigger chance of gold/silver, compared to Bonevacia. He is older now, so running 3 x 400s over 3 days might be too much by the time he gets to day 3 & his own individual race. So do they rest him for the mixed hts & run Bol, or rest her & run him?

Remember, there are two other factors as well: there will be no Dutch men's 4x4 in Paris, so they will potentially have a bigger pool to select from for the mixed. The men's 800m doesn't start until the Wednesday, for example, so if he's back in form (he's getting there..) Tony van Diepen might run the mixed instead of Bonevacia. Or he could run the ht or final, and Bonevacia the other (if Bol does both.) Van Diepen's an excellent relay runner when fit. The other positive as mentioned is the mixed heats and finals are over two days, rather then one. That massively helps recovery (Bonevacia has struggled running heat & final the same day) & with the day off after the mixed (for the w 400m) Klaver will certainly run both mixed heat and final.

So, the Dutch do have options. It's primarily a question of do they rest Bol or AN Other (Bonevacia?) because they can Q without Bol (see Eugene 22) if they want to.

wiederganger wrote:

Togher wrote:

I'm wrong. i went and found it

Rule 24.10, Up to four additional athletes may be used as substitutes

4 replacements for the single sex relays. Only 1 replacement for the mixed relay.

Laurent Meuwly was never intending to run Bol in the w4x4 hts because of the 400mh final being that evening. Peeters was very much a 'wait and see' - had she not made the 400mh final she would have run in the heats. Re Klaver, they wanted to wait and see what the draw was for the heats before they decided to run her or not. They had a relatively easy heat (on paper....) and were clearly top 3. However, I do think their performance at the World Relays, where they Q for the Olympics without Klaver or Bol, gave them a false sense of confidence. But that foursome included Peeters, who ran a 50.5 leg and of course she was replaced by van de Wiel here, who only ran a 51.91 leg. In addition, running van de Wiel on leg 2 was a mistake, it meant they effectively started with two 52 legs. Van der Schoot should have been on leg 2. Anyway, they made it, and presumably the final will be Peeters > Klaver > Lisanne DW > Bol. That should be enough to beat Ireland, but who knows, the Irish have been well peaked here.

The Unknown Spint Coach wrote:

I've spoken with Coach Meuwly on a number of occasions and have the utmost respect for him. That being said, he is far from infallible. Even with a robust support system, injuries (Del Ponte) are an issue as is stagnation, particularly with the men.

In saying that the Irish have "peaked" for this meet you've created a pre-packaged excuse in case that your Dutch girl lose. Adeleke has stated that she is training through this meet and her coach, Edrick Floreal, is one of the best, better than Meuwly, IMO. Unlike the Dutch girls, Mawdsley didn't have the the option to train full-time until this year. I met her coach Gary Ryan when he was an athlete and suspect that he's also a very good coach and will have her running even faster in Paris. Shane McCormick (Healy) and Jeremy Lyons (Becker) both have regular jobs as do their athletes (I know that Phil does, not sure about Sophie) that they fit their practice schedule around. Shane and Phil spend lots of time driving to meet up and to access the door track in Dublin in the winter. If this group does beat the Dutch this evening it will be the triumph of lightly supported and truly dedicated coaches against a well funded and supported machine.

wiederganger wrote:

The Unknown Spint Coach wrote:

I've spoken with Coach Meuwly on a number of occasions and have the utmost respect for him. That being said, he is far from infallible. Even with a robust support system, injuries (Del Ponte) are an issue as is stagnation, particularly with the men.

In saying that the Irish have "peaked" for this meet you've created a pre-packaged excuse in case that your Dutch girl lose. Adeleke has stated that she is training through this meet and her coach, Edrick Floreal, is one of the best, better than Meuwly, IMO. Unlike the Dutch girls, Mawdsley didn't have the the option to train full-time until this year. I met her coach Gary Ryan when he was an athlete and suspect that he's also a very good coach and will have her running even faster in Paris. Shane McCormick (Healy) and Jeremy Lyons (Becker) both have regular jobs as do their athletes (I know that Phil does, not sure about Sophie) that they fit their practice schedule around. Shane and Phil spend lots of time driving to meet up and to access the door track in Dublin in the winter. If this group does beat the Dutch this evening it will be the triumph of lightly supported and truly dedicated coaches against a well funded and supported machine.

No excuse needed, the Dutch easily beat Ireland, smart tactics at the start negated the big lead people expected Adeleke was going to create, and Bol literally jogged for 300m, only needing a 50.5 - just 6th fastest on that leg - to hold off any challenge. Smart running from Bol & a smart decision from Meuwly. One I totally questioned, although I do think they will revert back to Klaver on leg 2 come Paris (and beat Ireland again).

You misinterpret my use of the word 'peaked'. I'm not suggesting this is their season peak at all. Just literally that they were very well prepared for this meeting and took it seriously.

And I reiterate something I wrote (on another thread?) there is no way Adeleke 'trained through' this meet. What does that even mean? She was doing full daily sessions and then competing in the evening? Nah, never happened. When you take into account accessing the track facilities, warm up time, official transport to the stadium, call room etc....she wasn't training as well LOL. She may have done some easy run throughs but that's it. Maybe she meant she didn't taper for the meet, which is something else.

wiederganger wrote:

The Unknown Spint Coach wrote:

I've spoken with Coach Meuwly on a number of occasions and have the utmost respect for him. That being said, he is far from infallible. Even with a robust support system, injuries (Del Ponte) are an issue as is stagnation, particularly with the men.

In saying that the Irish have "peaked" for this meet you've created a pre-packaged excuse in case that your Dutch girl lose. Adeleke has stated that she is training through this meet and her coach, Edrick Floreal, is one of the best, better than Meuwly, IMO. Unlike the Dutch girls, Mawdsley didn't have the the option to train full-time until this year. I met her coach Gary Ryan when he was an athlete and suspect that he's also a very good coach and will have her running even faster in Paris. Shane McCormick (Healy) and Jeremy Lyons (Becker) both have regular jobs as do their athletes (I know that Phil does, not sure about Sophie) that they fit their practice schedule around. Shane and Phil spend lots of time driving to meet up and to access the door track in Dublin in the winter. If this group does beat the Dutch this evening it will be the triumph of lightly supported and truly dedicated coaches against a well funded and supported machine.

No excuse needed, the Dutch easily beat Ireland, smart tactics at the start negated the big lead people expected Adeleke was going to create, and Bol literally jogged for 300m, only needing a 50.5 - just 6th fastest on that leg - to hold off any challenge. Smart running from Bol & a smart decision from Meuwly. One I totally questioned, although I do think they will revert back to Klaver on leg 2 come Paris (and beat Ireland again).

You misinterpret my use of the word 'peaked'. I'm not suggesting this is their season peak at all. Just literally that they were very well prepared for this meeting and took it seriously.

And I reiterate something I wrote (on another thread?) there is no way Adeleke 'trained through' this meet. What does that even mean? She was doing full daily sessions and then competing in the evening? Nah, never happened. When you take into account accessing the track facilities, warm up time, official transport to the stadium, call room etc....she wasn't training as well LOL. She may have done some easy run throughs but that's it. Maybe she meant she didn't taper for the meet, which is something else.

wiederganger wrote:

Togher wrote:

I'm wrong. i went and found it

Rule 24.10, Up to four additional athletes may be used as substitutes

4 replacements for the single sex relays. Only 1 replacement for the mixed relay.

Laurent Meuwly was never intending to run Bol in the w4x4 hts because of the 400mh final being that evening. Peeters was very much a 'wait and see' - had she not made the 400mh final she would have run in the heats. Re Klaver, they wanted to wait and see what the draw was for the heats before they decided to run her or not. They had a relatively easy heat (on paper....) and were clearly top 3. However, I do think their performance at the World Relays, where they Q for the Olympics without Klaver or Bol, gave them a false sense of confidence. But that foursome included Peeters, who ran a 50.5 leg and of course she was replaced by van de Wiel here, who only ran a 51.91 leg. In addition, running van de Wiel on leg 2 was a mistake, it meant they effectively started with two 52 legs. Van der Schoot should have been on leg 2. Anyway, they made it, and presumably the final will be Peeters > Klaver > Lisanne DW > Bol. That should be enough to beat Ireland, but who knows, the Irish have been well peaked here.

Bob Sack wrote:

wiederganger wrote:

4 replacements for the single sex relays. Only 1 replacement for the mixed relay.

Laurent Meuwly was never intending to run Bol in the w4x4 hts because of the 400mh final being that evening. Peeters was very much a 'wait and see' - had she not made the 400mh final she would have run in the heats. Re Klaver, they wanted to wait and see what the draw was for the heats before they decided to run her or not. They had a relatively easy heat (on paper....) and were clearly top 3. However, I do think their performance at the World Relays, where they Q for the Olympics without Klaver or Bol, gave them a false sense of confidence. But that foursome included Peeters, who ran a 50.5 leg and of course she was replaced by van de Wiel here, who only ran a 51.91 leg. In addition, running van de Wiel on leg 2 was a mistake, it meant they effectively started with two 52 legs. Van der Schoot should have been on leg 2. Anyway, they made it, and presumably the final will be Peeters > Klaver > Lisanne DW > Bol. That should be enough to beat Ireland, but who knows, the Irish have been well peaked here.

Bol covers up a lot of issues with the Dutch 4x400 team. Among them, you never know what you are going to get out of Klaver race-to-race. She is a top 6-7 400 meter runner int he world; however, she can get her pacing spectacularly wrong and be barely moving by the end of her leg, which is exactly what she did in the mixed 4x400 at Euros. Additionally, De Witte is not close to being the Euro bronze medalist like she was in 2018 when she ran 50.77 and is pretty much just a 52-high runner right now. She used to be a really good #3 on that relay and now would have no business being on the team of any other top country (US, DR, Ireland, Belgium, UK, Poland).