Delusional much? Jakob stayed behind Kerr to MATCH his gear, as a dry run. Especially after rounds Jakob will have more in his aerobic tank AND have a sharper final gear. Have you ever even raced? It's plain as day.
Right, because that’s how it worked last year. After rounds, Jakob had so much more in the tank than Kerr did.
Yeah, the idea that somehow Kerr’s “aerobic tank” will be depleted after 48 hours of rest because he’s not as good at long distance as Jakob is hilarious, and yet fairly pervasive on this forum.
I was able to find a recording of that race and wow the pace making was awful. 52 high through the first 400. These guys could have ran 3:25 but would always go out too fast.
El Guerrouj gets beaten at his own game by Lagat. Hopefully Jakob can find some way to pull off an Athens 1500m.
Wow that is a great find! I was there that night and there were definitely some "oooo's" in the crowd as Hicham hadn't been beaten in Zurich since 96 (!!!)
As you said - classically stupid pacing of that era. Those who don't think wavelight makes a huge difference need to watch races like this - 52.87 followed by 57.26 followed by 55.22?! (lmao). I think the WR could have been lowered to the 3.24 high range (not in this race but maybe Brussels 2001 for example) had they had the benefit of todays technology.
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So what did El Guerrouj do in two weeks to beat Lagat back in 2004?
He lost by almost the exact same margin in Zurich 2 weeks before Athens and managed to turn the tables. Jakob (if he's going to) has almost 4 times as much time.
Maybe he will, maybe he won't. Maybe Kerr is simply a better 1500m runner than him now - maybe not. But the fact that so many people think that this is the end of Jakob based on one race at the end of May - his first damn race in what, 8 months? You guys can't be serious.
I was able to find a recording of that race and wow the pace making was awful. 52 high through the first 400. These guys could have ran 3:25 but would always go out too fast.
El Guerrouj gets beaten at his own game by Lagat. Hopefully Jakob can find some way to pull off an Athens 1500m.
Jakob fans always trying to hunt El G. ants?
L’année dernière, on a entendu Baala dire que Hicham lui a conseillé de se comporter en patron, il l’a fait et il a gagné en 3’ 30", et Lagat dire que Hicham lui a appris à transformer chaque 1500m en course de vitesse du début à la fin, et ça lui a permet de courir en 3’ 26" et en 3’ 27". Les premiers "guerroujistes" ? Peut-être ! On en est qu’au début, nul doute que le demi-fond "guerroujien" aura plus d’un adepte, et que l’avenir lui appartient.
I was able to find a recording of that race and wow the pace making was awful. 52 high through the first 400. These guys could have ran 3:25 but would always go out too fast.
El Guerrouj gets beaten at his own game by Lagat. Hopefully Jakob can find some way to pull off an Athens 1500m.
can't even blame the pacemakers for that. if jakob was running behind a 52.xx pacemaker, he would still come through in high 54/low 55
Yes he did this is Silesia (the pacers went 54.6 and he stayed right at the blue-yellow transition on his prescribed 55.5) and was slightly detached - but nothing that couldn't be made up without a panicked burst of effort. But think about what 52.87 looks like in that scenario no lights - those guys are a further 14 meters up the track! I don't know how you would structure working your way back to those guys when they are that far up - at one point you probably start to question if you are just having a bad race being so far behind them - even though you assume you aren't.
That Zurich race is one of the worst I've seen. Trying to remember which bunnies they had working that one.
Run on the 7th July 1981, this 1500m took place in Stockholm, some 2 days after winning the 800m semi final of the Europa Cup, and 4 days before his 3rd worl...
Stockholm 1981. The vid was posted by Deano yes....but that doesn't invalidate the historical fact of this run. 2:12.18 just a few days before. Coe should have gone 3:28 here, I think he actually stated so in his biography and that would have matched his 800 and 1000 WR improvement margins from that same year.
Deano himself can tell us what would have happened here if Coe had been evenly paced at 55.0/1:51.0/2:48....but I think that's not necessary. We all know it.
So...a total and colossal waste of supreme form. I think this is even worse than even the early 2000s ElG/Lagat fartlek efforts described above.
can't even blame the pacemakers for that. if jakob was running behind a 52.xx pacemaker, he would still come through in high 54/low 55
Yes he did this is Silesia (the pacers went 54.6 and he stayed right at the blue-yellow transition on his prescribed 55.5) and was slightly detached - but nothing that couldn't be made up without a panicked burst of effort. But think about what 52.87 looks like in that scenario no lights - those guys are a further 14 meters up the track! I don't know how you would structure working your way back to those guys when they are that far up - at one point you probably start to question if you are just having a bad race being so far behind them - even though you assume you aren't.
That Zurich race is one of the worst I've seen. Trying to remember which bunnies they had working that one.
Reminds me of this race. I mean Jakob basically sticks himself to the lights and hes able to catch up to cheruiyot again.
Now that I think about it, Jakob really does rely on these lights and his own intuition of pace to run these fast times. I mean he basically grew up with these lights as he exploded onto the professional scene, and has used them to his strength ever since. I remember in a team ingebrigtsen episode, the one just before the impossible games 2000m, they were testing the lights at the bislett stadium. Jakob loved the idea of these lights and they used them for their 200s or something, but Gjert kept on scolding him for some reason for using it.
As for championship racing though, it’s a huge challenge trying to run as evenly as possible, as hard as possible, and still try to win, from the front. Jakob will definitely need practice on a 600-800 meter final surge like El guerrouj did.
El Guerrouj gets beaten at his own game by Lagat. Hopefully Jakob can find some way to pull off an Athens 1500m.
Jakob fans always trying to hunt El G. ants?
L’année dernière, on a entendu Baala dire que Hicham lui a conseillé de se comporter en patron, il l’a fait et il a gagné en 3’ 30", et Lagat dire que Hicham lui a appris à transformer chaque 1500m en course de vitesse du début à la fin, et ça lui a permet de courir en 3’ 26" et en 3’ 27". Les premiers "guerroujistes" ? Peut-être ! On en est qu’au début, nul doute que le demi-fond "guerroujien" aura plus d’un adepte, et que l’avenir lui appartient.
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I’m not sure what you are talking about but El Guerrouj should be emulated, he is the goat of the 1500m right now.
Delusional much? Jakob stayed behind Kerr to MATCH his gear, as a dry run. Especially after rounds Jakob will have more in his aerobic tank AND have a sharper final gear. Have you ever even raced? It's plain as day.
Staying behind to match his gear? In simple words, he was behind and couldn't do anything to get to the front.
In Paris, he will lead and will get beat in the last 200m by Kerr AND Wightman. Maybe Nuguse as well.
It’s called peaking for the olympics, it is common sense. Please use intelligence before posting again.
Yes it’s common sense. And everyone in that race Kerr included are peaking for the Olympics. I get the feeling that some think that Jacob was training through while Kerrs entire season was to peak at Pre. PS Jacob didn’t travel half way around the world to use a diamond league race as a train through rust buster. He was ready to race and got beat.
Perhaps, but contractually Nike athletes had to race either LA GP or Pre.
So training at altitude in the US prior to contractual obligation then returning to Europe for some DL races before Olympics is logical.
Stockholm 1981. The vid was posted by Deano yes....but that doesn't invalidate the historical fact of this run. 2:12.18 just a few days before. Coe should have gone 3:28 here, I think he actually stated so in his biography and that would have matched his 800 and 1000 WR improvement margins from that same year.
Deano himself can tell us what would have happened here if Coe had been evenly paced at 55.0/1:51.0/2:48....but I think that's not necessary. We all know it.
So...a total and colossal waste of supreme form. I think this is even worse than even the early 2000s ElG/Lagat fartlek efforts described above.
Whoa whoa hold on - it wasn't 1.47.4 - it was 1.49.18 - that's a big difference. Now we don't know if that's for Coe or for Robinson (my gut feeling is that it's for Robinson) but it's still an absurd pace (for almost any era) but let's not get too hyperbolic. Coe was what - 6 or so meters back so he must have been right at 1.50.0 - even though he got there going 53.0-57.0 which yes, is up there with the hyper inefficient Zurich 2004 race. Nevertheless I do agree with you - but then again I actually believe that if all those guys had understood the benefits of religiously sticking to an even pace and had been able to practice it they would have run much much faster. Coe 3.27 high/3.28 low - same with Cram. Ovett under 3.29, Morceli under 3.27 and El G (gulp) well under 3.26.00 and incredibly with a shot at breaking 3.25.
That is an awesome find though - what the f--- was James Robinson doing my god - it was almost blatant f-ckery of Coe there wasn't it. You could tell up the home straight for the first time it was absurd.
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Get more blowjobs from his irritating fanbois who go on and on about him as if he is all of distance running. Blowjobs, massages (including a daily body-to-body massage from a Letsrun fanboi), whatever.
It’s called peaking for the olympics, it is common sense. Please use intelligence before posting again.
Yes it’s common sense. And everyone in that race Kerr included are peaking for the Olympics. I get the feeling that some think that Jacob was training through while Kerrs entire season was to peak at Pre. PS Jacob didn’t travel half way around the world to use a diamond league race as a train through rust buster. He was ready to race and got beat.
Your knowledge is lacking. Jakob had been in Flagstaff for a while before Eugene.
I think he with good training, including sharpening, can gain at least 2 seconds in the 1500m before Paris.
Since his Bowerman mile time equals high 3:28 in the 1500m that means he will dip under 3:27 and his kick will also improve in the proces, including by further racing.
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