Also, I saw as I was looking through the results that there is a senior named Dominic Overby in 5A at the Utah State Meet with the following marks either for entry or so far today: 100m 10.68s (-2.6m/s), 200 20.91s, 400m 47.08, LJ 23'11". Pretty fair quintuple, at least.
At 4600 ft, the conversion gives 8:36 an 8:21 sea level time. Simmons ought to be lining up for an assault on Verzbicas's two mile record of 8:29. He destroyed some guys who have run high 8:30s and 8:40s.
The splits are super impressive too. The top 4 closed in 60-61. Steadman of Herriman ran faster than he did at Arcadia, at altitude, with a 2:05 last 800. Simmons was 2s slower than at Arcadia, but 20s ahead of Steadman with a 2:05 last 800. Ben Jaster ran 8:38 at Arcadia and 9:07 here. Looks like he went out with Simmons and ended up in no man's land by 1200. Ben Bradshaw ran 8:58 at Arcadia and 9:08 here.
Those are all seniors, and I hope they get to test their fitness at sea level. I think they could come pretty close to matching NP's 2022 times. Simmons is as fast, if not faster than NP's best were. Jaster already ran 8:38, putting him with Aaron and Leo. Evans has run 8:46 as a junior, and I think Bradshaw can knock a lot of time off his 8:58.
I've been telling you guys for years that Newbury Park wasn't that special, and that Brosnan didn't get super lucky with talent, he just nailed the coaching. Mostert and Soles are proving me right. I think the thing that separated Brosnan is that he got his athletes to train like professionals. Mike Smith had the best men's team in the country for years, and he recently said that when Nico came in as a freshman, he trained like a pro athlete and raised the bar for the whole team. Just to reiterate: An 18 year old kid walked into the best college training group in the country and raised the bar for everyone.That should tell you a lot about the mindset they had at NP.
I think the success Herriman and AF are having right now probably isn't due to a big change in how Mostert or Soles are coaching. My guess is that 1) The kids are more willing to fully buy into their coach's training after seeing the results NP got, and 2) Having 2 of the best programs in the country 30 minutes away from each other raises the bar for both of them.
And just because I know people will try to use Nico Young running 12:57/26:52 at age 21 as evidence of incredible talent, I'll point out that Nico Young had maybe the only HS coach in the country that truly believed the best college guys were capable of running sub-13. Show me an 8:30 low guy who goes to NAU, and I'll show you someone who's gonna run sub-13/27 soon. I'll also point out that UW's 3 guys who have combined for the last 4 NCAA 1500/mile titles all grew up less than an hour away from the UW campus.
It's the coaching and the culture.
And in.the case of the Utah schools there's the added factor of a predominantly Mormon population. While not every kid strictly follows all the dictated, like dietary choices many do. That gives them a leg up on many other runners. So, for example, besides the exclusion of alcohol they also avoid caffeine which means that they're not guzzling cola and other sodas. Even without the caffeine that stuff is very unhealthy. I suppose one could argue that some beverages containing caffeine, like Japanese green tea, have important healthy substances that outweigh the caffeine, but that's another discussion. And no, I'm not Mormon.
By the way, 15 seconds is probably too much for an altitude kid at 4600 ft. I'd think that 7-8 seconds is probably more accurate, but then he left everyone behind pretty early and can run faster than that with dedicated pacers and the best hs competition in the country or older athletes.
At 4600 ft, the conversion gives 8:36 an 8:21 sea level time. Simmons ought to be lining up for an assault on Verzbicas's two mile record of 8:29. He destroyed some guys who have run high 8:30s and 8:40s.
He would need to be capable of a 3:55 mile, to run 8:21.
Years ago, a guy from Park City, Ben Saarel, ran 8:46 at Arcadia and a 8:49 at BYU, so it’s hard to know what the conversion should be.
The splits are super impressive too. The top 4 closed in 60-61. Steadman of Herriman ran faster than he did at Arcadia, at altitude, with a 2:05 last 800. Simmons was 2s slower than at Arcadia, but 20s ahead of Steadman with a 2:05 last 800. Ben Jaster ran 8:38 at Arcadia and 9:07 here. Looks like he went out with Simmons and ended up in no man's land by 1200. Ben Bradshaw ran 8:58 at Arcadia and 9:08 here.
Those are all seniors, and I hope they get to test their fitness at sea level. I think they could come pretty close to matching NP's 2022 times. Simmons is as fast, if not faster than NP's best were. Jaster already ran 8:38, putting him with Aaron and Leo. Evans has run 8:46 as a junior, and I think Bradshaw can knock a lot of time off his 8:58.
I've been telling you guys for years that Newbury Park wasn't that special, and that Brosnan didn't get super lucky with talent, he just nailed the coaching. Mostert and Soles are proving me right. I think the thing that separated Brosnan is that he got his athletes to train like professionals. Mike Smith had the best men's team in the country for years, and he recently said that when Nico came in as a freshman, he trained like a pro athlete and raised the bar for the whole team. Just to reiterate: An 18 year old kid walked into the best college training group in the country and raised the bar for everyone.That should tell you a lot about the mindset they had at NP.
I think the success Herriman and AF are having right now probably isn't due to a big change in how Mostert or Soles are coaching. My guess is that 1) The kids are more willing to fully buy into their coach's training after seeing the results NP got, and 2) Having 2 of the best programs in the country 30 minutes away from each other raises the bar for both of them.
And just because I know people will try to use Nico Young running 12:57/26:52 at age 21 as evidence of incredible talent, I'll point out that Nico Young had maybe the only HS coach in the country that truly believed the best college guys were capable of running sub-13. Show me an 8:30 low guy who goes to NAU, and I'll show you someone who's gonna run sub-13/27 soon. I'll also point out that UW's 3 guys who have combined for the last 4 NCAA 1500/mile titles all grew up less than an hour away from the UW campus.
It's the coaching and the culture.
The Sean Brosnan worship has to stop. I realize you probably started following the sport because of NP and I love your passion, but they didn’t invent running fast times. Do you realize that American Fork had 3 boys under 4:07 for the MILE in 2017 before super spikes? None of them were brothers btw. One last point, Brosnan is a good coach but he also got lucky to have brothers so close in age which led to the domination. Siblings are usually more spaced out. Anyway, let’s celebrate the great Utah state times without making everything about NP.
“This altitude adjustment calculator is intended to correct for race times of non-altitude trained runners who compete at elevations between 1500 and 8000 feet above sea level in races lasting 75 seconds or longer.”
The splits are super impressive too. The top 4 closed in 60-61. Steadman of Herriman ran faster than he did at Arcadia, at altitude, with a 2:05 last 800. Simmons was 2s slower than at Arcadia, but 20s ahead of Steadman with a 2:05 last 800. Ben Jaster ran 8:38 at Arcadia and 9:07 here. Looks like he went out with Simmons and ended up in no man's land by 1200. Ben Bradshaw ran 8:58 at Arcadia and 9:08 here.
Those are all seniors, and I hope they get to test their fitness at sea level. I think they could come pretty close to matching NP's 2022 times. Simmons is as fast, if not faster than NP's best were. Jaster already ran 8:38, putting him with Aaron and Leo. Evans has run 8:46 as a junior, and I think Bradshaw can knock a lot of time off his 8:58.
I've been telling you guys for years that Newbury Park wasn't that special, and that Brosnan didn't get super lucky with talent, he just nailed the coaching. Mostert and Soles are proving me right. I think the thing that separated Brosnan is that he got his athletes to train like professionals. Mike Smith had the best men's team in the country for years, and he recently said that when Nico came in as a freshman, he trained like a pro athlete and raised the bar for the whole team. Just to reiterate: An 18 year old kid walked into the best college training group in the country and raised the bar for everyone.That should tell you a lot about the mindset they had at NP.
I think the success Herriman and AF are having right now probably isn't due to a big change in how Mostert or Soles are coaching. My guess is that 1) The kids are more willing to fully buy into their coach's training after seeing the results NP got, and 2) Having 2 of the best programs in the country 30 minutes away from each other raises the bar for both of them.
And just because I know people will try to use Nico Young running 12:57/26:52 at age 21 as evidence of incredible talent, I'll point out that Nico Young had maybe the only HS coach in the country that truly believed the best college guys were capable of running sub-13. Show me an 8:30 low guy who goes to NAU, and I'll show you someone who's gonna run sub-13/27 soon. I'll also point out that UW's 3 guys who have combined for the last 4 NCAA 1500/mile titles all grew up less than an hour away from the UW campus.
It's the coaching and the culture.
The Sean Brosnan worship has to stop. I realize you probably started following the sport because of NP and I love your passion, but they didn’t invent running fast times. Do you realize that American Fork had 3 boys under 4:07 for the MILE in 2017 before super spikes? None of them were brothers btw. One last point, Brosnan is a good coach but he also got lucky to have brothers so close in age which led to the domination. Siblings are usually more spaced out. Anyway, let’s celebrate the great Utah state times without making everything about NP.
There’s also no guarantee that all siblings will be of equal talent. Bill McChesney was far more talented than his older brothers, Tom and Steve.
The splits are super impressive too. The top 4 closed in 60-61. Steadman of Herriman ran faster than he did at Arcadia, at altitude, with a 2:05 last 800. Simmons was 2s slower than at Arcadia, but 20s ahead of Steadman with a 2:05 last 800. Ben Jaster ran 8:38 at Arcadia and 9:07 here. Looks like he went out with Simmons and ended up in no man's land by 1200. Ben Bradshaw ran 8:58 at Arcadia and 9:08 here.
Those are all seniors, and I hope they get to test their fitness at sea level. I think they could come pretty close to matching NP's 2022 times. Simmons is as fast, if not faster than NP's best were. Jaster already ran 8:38, putting him with Aaron and Leo. Evans has run 8:46 as a junior, and I think Bradshaw can knock a lot of time off his 8:58.
I've been telling you guys for years that Newbury Park wasn't that special, and that Brosnan didn't get super lucky with talent, he just nailed the coaching. Mostert and Soles are proving me right. I think the thing that separated Brosnan is that he got his athletes to train like professionals. Mike Smith had the best men's team in the country for years, and he recently said that when Nico came in as a freshman, he trained like a pro athlete and raised the bar for the whole team. Just to reiterate: An 18 year old kid walked into the best college training group in the country and raised the bar for everyone.That should tell you a lot about the mindset they had at NP.
I think the success Herriman and AF are having right now probably isn't due to a big change in how Mostert or Soles are coaching. My guess is that 1) The kids are more willing to fully buy into their coach's training after seeing the results NP got, and 2) Having 2 of the best programs in the country 30 minutes away from each other raises the bar for both of them.
And just because I know people will try to use Nico Young running 12:57/26:52 at age 21 as evidence of incredible talent, I'll point out that Nico Young had maybe the only HS coach in the country that truly believed the best college guys were capable of running sub-13. Show me an 8:30 low guy who goes to NAU, and I'll show you someone who's gonna run sub-13/27 soon. I'll also point out that UW's 3 guys who have combined for the last 4 NCAA 1500/mile titles all grew up less than an hour away from the UW campus.
It's the coaching and the culture.
I'm seeing zero difference in the mindset and work ethic in my programs from before or after NP had their run. I'm sure there were programs that were influenced by their rise and eventual fall, but we are pretty consistent in what we do, and outside teams have very little influence on our culture. #2 is the biggest thing as our main competition is just down the road. If anyone is forcing us to adapt, work hard, change things...It is American Fork.
The splits are super impressive too. The top 4 closed in 60-61. Steadman of Herriman ran faster than he did at Arcadia, at altitude, with a 2:05 last 800. Simmons was 2s slower than at Arcadia, but 20s ahead of Steadman with a 2:05 last 800. Ben Jaster ran 8:38 at Arcadia and 9:07 here. Looks like he went out with Simmons and ended up in no man's land by 1200. Ben Bradshaw ran 8:58 at Arcadia and 9:08 here.
Those are all seniors, and I hope they get to test their fitness at sea level. I think they could come pretty close to matching NP's 2022 times. Simmons is as fast, if not faster than NP's best were. Jaster already ran 8:38, putting him with Aaron and Leo. Evans has run 8:46 as a junior, and I think Bradshaw can knock a lot of time off his 8:58.
I've been telling you guys for years that Newbury Park wasn't that special, and that Brosnan didn't get super lucky with talent, he just nailed the coaching. Mostert and Soles are proving me right. I think the thing that separated Brosnan is that he got his athletes to train like professionals. Mike Smith had the best men's team in the country for years, and he recently said that when Nico came in as a freshman, he trained like a pro athlete and raised the bar for the whole team. Just to reiterate: An 18 year old kid walked into the best college training group in the country and raised the bar for everyone.That should tell you a lot about the mindset they had at NP.
I think the success Herriman and AF are having right now probably isn't due to a big change in how Mostert or Soles are coaching. My guess is that 1) The kids are more willing to fully buy into their coach's training after seeing the results NP got, and 2) Having 2 of the best programs in the country 30 minutes away from each other raises the bar for both of them.
And just because I know people will try to use Nico Young running 12:57/26:52 at age 21 as evidence of incredible talent, I'll point out that Nico Young had maybe the only HS coach in the country that truly believed the best college guys were capable of running sub-13. Show me an 8:30 low guy who goes to NAU, and I'll show you someone who's gonna run sub-13/27 soon. I'll also point out that UW's 3 guys who have combined for the last 4 NCAA 1500/mile titles all grew up less than an hour away from the UW campus.
It's the coaching and the culture.
The Sean Brosnan worship has to stop. I realize you probably started following the sport because of NP and I love your passion, but they didn’t invent running fast times. Do you realize that American Fork had 3 boys under 4:07 for the MILE in 2017 before super spikes? None of them were brothers btw. One last point, Brosnan is a good coach but he also got lucky to have brothers so close in age which led to the domination. Siblings are usually more spaced out. Anyway, let’s celebrate the great Utah state times without making everything about NP.
The Sean Brosnan worship has to stop. I realize you probably started following the sport because of NP and I love your passion, but they didn’t invent running fast times. Do you realize that American Fork had 3 boys under 4:07 for the MILE in 2017 before super spikes? None of them were brothers btw. One last point, Brosnan is a good coach but he also got lucky to have brothers so close in age which led to the domination. Siblings are usually more spaced out. Anyway, let’s celebrate the great Utah state times without making everything about NP.
Brosnan was the GOAT HS coach.
I agree. Best line ever was the HD runner series on Newbury Park and Great Oaks and the interviewer asked Sean and Doug “Do you do H.I.T training ?” Soles said yes and Brosnan no. He asked Brosnan why and Brosnan said “because Nico’s Mom does it.
I agree. Best line ever was the HD runner series on Newbury Park and Great Oaks and the interviewer asked Sean and Doug “Do you do H.I.T training ?” Soles said yes and Brosnan no. He asked Brosnan why and Brosnan said “because Nico’s Mom does it.
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That line is exactly why Brosnan's coaching success was so short-lived. Charismatic and knowledgeable but a slave to his ego.