NICO YOUNG joins Haile Gebrsellasie as ONLY athletes EVER to

Of course he has time to improve his PRs, and it’s exciting how well he’s run this year, but for the time being, the “group” is an answer to a trivia question.

Took me a sec to piece together what this post meant. It's saying Nico and Geb are the only 2 to run sub-1:50/3:35/13/27 in the same season. If you take out the 800 requirement, it expands to 5, adding Bekele, Salah Hissou (hiss who?), and Farah.

Worth noting that no one has done it in 1 season. Geb did the 8/15/5 indoors and 10 outdoors, while Nico did the 8/15/10 outdoors and 5 indoors. If Nico breaks 13 outdoors, he'll be the only one to have done it in one season. FWIW, I wouldn't be surprised if Nico and Geb were the only sub-27 runners to run the 8/15/5/10 all in one year. I think Nico only had the chance because of how the NCAA system works.

I hate that guys like Nico (previously Hocker, Mu, Garcia Romo) show that you can race a ton over a bunch of different distances and still improve throughout the year, but tons of pros still barely race. I like that Grijalva and Nur are running these races too, even if they're way behind Nico and Colin. It's good racing experience. Grijalva may be the 3rd best 5k guy in the world at his peak, but it's hard to find good competition for him in that shape. When he's only ready for 3:40 though, he can just get tossed in with the college kids. Plus racing is fun. Good way to break up training before the DL really kicks off next month.

I'm not a fan of Nico but I do admire his talent. I wouldn't be surprised if Nico medaled at the Olympic 10000m this year because of his talent but he also have an equal chance of not even making it to the Olympics because of his LONG collegiate/Olympic season and inexperience.

I wish Nico the best and better races in July and August.

I was not aware that Young has run sub 3:35, this has done me a wrong conclusion to your post.

But the way you presented your facts for me really was very bad. Also, way more athletes have run sub 27.

But it's an interesting stat. For sure many more of those 78 sub 27 runners can run sub 1:50, which really isn't a strong barrier. Much stronger is sub 3:35 - probably any runner capable to run sub 3:35 also can run sub 1:50.

you just want the award for most missing the point reply

It's not as easy as most of you think AS I SAID there are numerous athletes who have run sub 13 and sub 27 but could t run sub 3 :35 the same year and they ran some 1500ms. The are a few sub 3:35 and sub 13 minute guys who couldn't hit the sub 27 the same year. Fisher, Kelejcha Joshua and several others recently with super shoes , all have tried but none have

So please stop acting like it's a walk in the park to join the Sub club and just consider Nico might be better then you thought this year.

I havn't said at all what you're saying here.

I have said, almost any runner capable to run sub 3:35 (even a 10000m specialist) should also be capable to run sub 1:50.

It's Kejelcha.

Jakob would easily do this

And many others. Any one that has run 12:45, or faster, can run both 3:35 and 27:00.

And many athletes to come to perform at this level. We need to make a clear divisions Before and after supershoes. Doping has been around for many decades and will continue for ever.

I agree in the sense that Nico isn't Geb, but even if you expand the scope to "within 12 months", Rupp, Ahmed, Almgren, Fisher, and Barega are still completely lacking in the 800.

Rupp ran 1:49 in college, 1:50 the next year (2010), and never again. Didn't break 27 until 2011, 13 until 2012, and 3:35 until 2014. He did come decently close in 2014, with his 26:44 in May to win the Pre Classic, 13:00 in Paris in July, and his 3:34 in Brussels in September. Still, he's missing that 800 time. Pretty similar to Kejelcha actually, who ran 3:31i/13:00/26:49 in 2019. No 800 PB listed for him though.

Ahmed doesn't even have an official 800 PB, but he did run 26:59 in Oct 2019, and 3:34.8/12:47 in July 2020.

Almgren is the only one of the guys you listed that actually has an 800 PB faster than Nico's, and while it's a 1:45, it's also from 2015. He hasn't run the 800 since 2019, where his SB was 1:48.5. He did run 26:52 in March, and he has a 3:32 from June, but no 800 in that time, and a best 5k of 13:24 (13:01 in 2022 though). Impressive stat from him I noticed was he made it to Worlds in the 800 in 2015, and Worlds in the 5k in 2023. Also bronze at WU20s in 2014. Probably Olympics in the 10k in 2024.

Fisher's 800 PB is still sitting at 1:51 from 2019. Fisher actually benefits the most from your expanded criteria. He had his 26:33 in March 2022, 12:46 in September 2022, and 3:34.99 in February 2023. He was 12 days or .01s away from not fitting it. He still doesn't have the 800 time though.

Barega has 3:32/12:49 in September 2020, 26:49 June 2021. No 800 PB listed though.

Now, in one sense, Nico absolutely does not have the pedigree of those runners (even Almgren has been to Worlds). But in another sense, no other runner has the pedigree of Nico Young. No runner has a faster 800 and 10k PB (Almgren comes the closest at less than 1s off the 10k PB and a faster 800 PB).

While earlier I said I agree that Nico isn't as good as Geb, I think it says a lot that 21 year old Nico Young, between March 16 2024 and May 4 2024, has run a set of PBs that are comparable to peak Rupp, Farah, Fisher, Ahmed, Geb etc. And of those, Nico has a faster 800/5k than Rupp, faster 800 than Farah, faster 1500 than Fisher and Ahmed, and faster 800 than Geb (Geb ran 1:49 a week after 3:32i, and a year later 1:50 2 days before 3:31i, so it's not like he didn't give it a real shot).

Farah never ran an 800 after becoming the best in the world, and he ran 3:28, so you could argue he's better than his PBs, but I think Nico is better than his PBs too. Farah ran 3:28 in Monaco in the only 3:26 race since before I was born, while Nico ran 3:34 to beat his 20 year old teammate in a random college meet. Interestingly, 1 person ties those two races together, because Centro ran 3:30 in that Monaco race and 3:35 in Nico's race. Nico also ran 26:52 (in March) with a big kick in what may have been the most tactical sub-27 race ever. He also ran 12:57 in January, and is definitely in much better shape now. If you wanna give Farah credit for 1:46 or 1:47, I think that's fair, but I think you have to give Nico credit for 12:50/26:40 in return. The pacing was all over the place in that 10k, and even with the lights they were constantly falling off the pace.

Could Farah/Rupp/Barega/Kejelcha/Bekele run sub-1:49 in the 800 at their best? I think they probably could. Could they run sub-1:48? Given that Geb gave it a real shot and couldn't, I'm a bit more hesitant, but I think most of them probably could if they gave it a few real shots. But aside from maybe Farah, I don't think any of them would break 1:47. Most would probably end up about where Nico is.

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Interesting post

To the other poster saying how many others could, don't you comprehend some of them have tried along with many others BUT ONLY 5 have 😲 geez

Not many 10k guys will risk injury with an all out 1500 in the same season. In practice, maybe. Not aware of any 1500s by Henry Rono in his prime but he easily could have done a great 1500. Won't mention shoes and things but will say once the 10ks and 5ks got near 13 and 27 you couldn't compete without 1500 wheels...

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Then why is there SO MANY sub 27 minute RECENT 10000m guys who tried but never ran sub 3:40 in the same season not to even close to sub 3:35

It’s a bit of a joke to say that Kejelcha has “tried” to break these barriers in the same year, as if it’s something he gives a damn about. When you run 12:41 with the last 2k in 4:54, 7:23 with the last lap in ~53-high, and a 57:41 half marathon in the same season, it’s fair to say you could smash 3:35 and 27:00. I “get it” though, he didn’t actually do it.

Just a silly comparison. Perhaps if ANY of those others had even competed in an 800 and run 1:50+, then maybe you'd have something. Why is an elite 5/10 guy competing in an 800? It's only someone in NCAA. Yes, we get it, Nico being a sub 13 and sub 27 guy in college is super cool, we all know that. Don't try to make it something more than it is.

Slow down regarding N Young being mentioned in same group as 10000m Olympic &/or World Championship gold &/or silver medalists. 99% of T&F coaches spare their 5000m &/or 10000m athletes the embarrassment regarding racing 800m.

He hasn't won NCAA XC individual race.

The last few posts are all by the same one or two nerdy trolls. failing to understand that could have is not the same as already done...