Sadie Englehardt gives up High School eligibility and will run in race with Pros and college athletes

This news doesn't imply that she is leaving the high school, only that she will not participate in the gauntlet of meets necessary to qualify for the CIS state meet. The Newbury Park kids did this last Spring as well.

Mary Cain? There's no evidence that Cain would have had a better career had she continued running for her high school. Basically her adult body just ended up being larger than her youth body. She would have faced this problem no matter where she competed.

In the end U20 gold, world championship final, a couple of Usatf titles and a bunch of HS and u20 records is still a better career than most traditional pros ever have.

Link/source?

Also, when does the CIF outdoor season start?

It already started about 2 weeks ago.

Is Arcadia considered part of the CIF outdoor season? Sorry, I don’t live in CA, I just know about Arcadia’s prominence.

What happens if a kid runs a local road race during the season? is their eligibility over? Does this disqualify them in all sports?

I'm actually for the rule as club sports shouldn’t be allowed during the season. It does create some sticky situations.

Yes it is. Any race where California High School athletes are running for their schools is considered a CIF sanctioned event. Well basically, some coaches don't follow the rules and the CIF does nothing about it.

Technically CIF athletes can enter events unattached even in the same sport.

Southern Section started officially February 17th . Once she races the pro field at Sound Running she will lose her remaining CIF eligibility for HS according to the rules in place

You going to post the e-mail or what? I see that she is racing at "The Ten" in the Pro 1500. Not sure about her CIF eligibility though.

Can you site evidence that she loses her CIF eligibility? I only see rule 600G https://www.cifstate.org/governance/constitution/600_Series.pdf

Still less than .01 percent. I worked in a HS in NYC. One year we had a girl with a great voice and acting ability. However instead of joining our school chorus and play she worked on Broadway. You see the same in every field. Like Englehart and others these are the very few exceptions and they won't ruin HS extracurricular activities.

here is email number one . I’m looking for the other email

Athletic Director/Cross Country Coach:

Please review the new CIF-SS Blue Book Q & A belowthat is highlighted in yellow that now accompanies the previous Q & A in green that speaks to unattached competition in a collegiate event. Students face the possibility of a loss of remaining high school eligibilityif they compete in a collegiate or open event.
It is important that coaches understand this and also share with parents who may be inclined to enter their children in a collegiate event as an unattached athlete.

Question: May an athlete compete unattached in a collegiate or open track meet?

Answer: No. CIF students are not eligible to compete at intercollegiate events (Bylaw 215).
<>Question: What is defined as a collegiate track meet and/or intercollegiate competition?
<>Answer: A collegiate track meet and/or intercollegiate competition is one in which collegiate athletes are competing for or representing their school.

Thank you,

That's college events. This has nothing to do with the current case. It is true that CIF athletes can't enter College competitions.

Yes it does . Sound Running is an open event with college athletes . If you read it will then cause loss of eligibility is you race in this event.

Maybe you see some college runners running for their school that I don't? I think the bigger issue is if they offer High School divisions and she doesn't run in that.

I believe the crux of the matter is that there will be a high school only event she could enter and she is opting out.

Running with pros and unattached athletes doesn't make an athlete ineligible.

You’re incorrect. If Sadie races Sound Running she gives up her CIF eligibility. She can not compete unattached or compete for a club and run in a open race with any college athletes racing in that meet. I don’t mean a collegiate in her race, but the entire meet. Those are the rules CIFSS put out there last year and yes I also received the email as did my AD regarding this situation of rules.

I assume Sadie has decided to forgo her HS status as she has nothing else to prove in California and maybe most importantly CIFSS is holding her back.

And if not a single collegiate athlete participates in this meet, what then?

… is it only for this track season? Or will that happen for senior year XC too? She got 1 more year of high school and Ventura is looking promising for XC next year with her on the team